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Hey look it's less interesting Guilty Spark but hey listen to that "sexy" female voice haha it's so epic and meme-worthy what an awesome character! Definitely top 10 video game waifus, I even bought her sweet-sauce announcer pack btw I'm a virgin if it wasn't already obvious haha!

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There are people who think it's "sexy"? 

 

I just think she's hilarious. 

 

EDIT: Please understand that this is in the context of a game where I'm desperately searching for something to be entertained by. 

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This made me irrationally mad. I apologize if this is not the correct place to share this.

Edit: Just went through his post history.... I can’t deal with it. Guy's an idiot. I’m in a discord with him and some other people for 8s. Mentioned posting the link here. Was told this was the most cancerous place. I’m scared for the Halo community.

 

Edit #2: I understand why people get so mad. We watch this franchised get destroyed, then get laughed at by pissants when we try to discuss what went wrong and get told "it's the next step." I love this franchise and it just hurts that I can't vent frustrations without being "old" or "toxic." Honestly almost makes me cry sometimes. It's like watching a loved one ruin their life.

 

Sorry about the off topic venting. Just feel like I have no where else to do it.

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This made me irrationally mad. I apologize if this is not the correct place to share this.

 

Edit: Just went through his post history.... I can’t deal with it. Guy's an idiot. I’m in a discord with him and some other people for 8s. Mentioned posting the link here. Was told this was the most cancerous place. I’m scared for the Halo community.

 

Edit #2: I understand why people get so mad. We watch this franchised get destroyed, then get laughed at by pissants when we try to discuss what went wrong and get told "it's the next step." I love this franchise and it just hurts that I can't vent frustrations without being "old" or "toxic." Honestly almost makes me cry sometimes. It's like watching a loved one ruin their life.

 

Sorry about the off topic venting. Just feel like I have no where else to do it.

I actually enjoy Halo 5 for the most part, but this guy sucks. I can't stand when people come out with a radical opinion, make fun of the other party, and then act like they're better than everyone else.

 

Also I slightly hate you for linking the post, now I feel the need to respond to this Reddit kid.  ;)

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This made me irrationally mad. I apologize if this is not the correct place to share this.

 

Edit: Just went through his post history.... I can’t deal with it. Guy's an idiot. I’m in a discord with him and some other people for 8s. Mentioned posting the link here. Was told this was the most cancerous place. I’m scared for the Halo community.

 

Edit #2: I understand why people get so mad. We watch this franchised get destroyed, then get laughed at by pissants when we try to discuss what went wrong and get told "it's the next step." I love this franchise and it just hurts that I can't vent frustrations without being "old" or "toxic." Honestly almost makes me cry sometimes. It's like watching a loved one ruin their life.

 

Sorry about the off topic venting. Just feel like I have no where else to do it.

 

Which Discord group?

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Halo 5s pistol is the most perfectly tuned/ consistent precision starting weapon we’ve had in a halo next to H2.

 

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Hilarious that everyone that says H5 is great started with CE.

 

One of the points is that H5 makes things flashy and that is what halo needs which caters to people who drop the game in a month. Make it good and fun before you make it flashy

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Which Discord group?

Spartan V Program.

 

Idea behind the group is great, bunch of players helping each other improve.

 

But it’s full of 343 apologists. I left because I felt my opinion wasn’t welcome there.

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Spartan V Program.

 

Idea behind the group is great, bunch of players helping each other improve.

 

But it’s full of 343 apologists. I left because I felt my opinion wasn’t welcome there.

 

As an original member of the Spartan V Program I'm sorry to hear that you did not enjoy your time in the program. I'm afraid I don't recognize you, and you probably don't recognize me, due to my swings in activity due to work. I know that Space Christ can be pretty opinionated and...passionate...in how he communicates in both written and verbal formats. I know that the general consensus in the program is that Halo 5 is great and dislike it being dismissed simply because it doesn't follow Halo formula (I myself think that, heavy aim aside, the current settings make for a good competitive shooter, even if it's not a good competitive Halo shooter), but the majority of people I've interacted with don't seem to take a stance on the game to that level, they just want an environment where they feel welcome discussing what they like about H5 and find Beyond to be the anthesis of that.

 

Scrolling through only the past two days of posts on the Discord I don't feel like anyone was being disrespectful to you and I hope that you did not leave over frustrations with just one person. From my perspective, it seems like it's wrong of SVP members to dismiss Beyond as a cancerous place because they don't feel their acceptance and enjoyment of H5 is dismissed, but from just the past two days of Discord posts I don't feel that the majority of people found your opinions on H5 unwelcome, just seems that you were the only one with those opinions. I guess the distinction I have in my head between "H5 is a bad Halo game" versus "H5 HCS settings make a good game" lets me feel like I can be a part of both communities, but I guess even those who don't take their stances to the extreme would still have a hard time being comfortable in both.

 

Anyhow, I regret not getting to interact with you during your time in SVP. If you want someone to play the H3 2v2 Hardcore playlist (or any of the hardcore MCC playlists) and don't mind playing with someone who's an absolute scrub at H3 please hit me up; I'm too afraid to play solo queue after the second game I got there searching solo wa one of the most cancerous gaming experiences of my life.

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As an original member of the Spartan V Program I'm sorry to hear that you did not enjoy your time in the program. I'm afraid I don't recognize you, and you probably don't recognize me, due to my swings in activity due to work. I know that Space Christ can be pretty opinionated and...passionate...in how he communicates in both written and verbal formats. I know that the general consensus in the program is that Halo 5 is great and dislike it being dismissed simply because it doesn't follow Halo formula (I myself think that, heavy aim aside, the current settings make for a good competitive shooter, even if it's not a good competitive Halo shooter), but the majority of people I've interacted with don't seem to take a stance on the game to that level, they just want an environment where they feel welcome discussing what they like about H5 and find Beyond to be the anthesis of that.

 

Scrolling through only the past two days of posts on the Discord I don't feel like anyone was being disrespectful to you and I hope that you did not leave over frustrations with just one person. From my perspective, it seems like it's wrong of SVP members to dismiss Beyond as a cancerous place because they don't feel their acceptance and enjoyment of H5 is dismissed, but from just the past two days of Discord posts I don't feel that the majority of people found your opinions on H5 unwelcome, just seems that you were the only one with those opinions. I guess the distinction I have in my head between "H5 is a bad Halo game" versus "H5 HCS settings make a good game" lets me feel like I can be a part of both communities, but I guess even those who don't take their stances to the extreme would still have a hard time being comfortable in both.

 

Anyhow, I regret not getting to interact with you during your time in SVP. If you want someone to play the H3 2v2 Hardcore playlist (or any of the hardcore MCC playlists) and don't mind playing with someone who's an absolute scrub at H3 please hit me up; I'm too afraid to play solo queue after the second game I got there searching solo wa one of the most cancerous gaming experiences of my life.

 

 

I left because I felt I would not have been able to bite my tongue. I felt Spacechrist was being a bit condescending and I can become quite vitriolic when I feel disrespected. Didn't want to cause a scene. Yes it was mostly the one dude.

 

Also the dismissal of Beyond as cancerous really miffed me. I mostly lurk, but I don't know, this place feels like home and it didn't sit well with me. 

 

Also I'm equally bad at H3. Maybe our suckiness can combine and form some uber-suckiness that no one knows how to play against. And we'll get to 50. EZ. Or CE. CE is my love. I'll play that anytime.

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Paladin, I'm sorry if my words offended you. I merely expressed my opinion of what I experienced while perusing the forums. I'll leave you with my response I left before I realized you left the discord:

 

"I think there was a time where team beyond was a useful spot to congregate and have healthy discussions after the MLG forums dissolved. But the people who remained on the forums and the conversations that I browsed were the most toxic shit I have ever seen. A simple question from someone resulted in just a downpour of people just being jackasses if they didn't feel it warranted their time.

 

With regards to the type of halo most members wanted I am obviously bias because I prefer halo 5, but that wasn't always the case. I quit halo 5 after the first 6 months because I hated it. When I wanted to return and try It again the team beyond forums are where I went. There was so much vitriol and non-constructive conversations. It was "halo is dead, fuck 343,trash game, bring on the next halo". I think I saw one meaningful discussion comparing the relative speed of gameplay to map speeds.

 

Either way. It seemed to be to composed of a legacy halo community. But you can still engage in healthy discussions and dislike the older franchise. Maybe my experience is not representative of the whole if you're a regular there because I've only dropped in a few times. But that's exactly how I felt."

 

Tldr;when I visited this forum to learn about h5 mechanics and the pro scene all I saw were non-constructive posts basically saying 'fuck halo 5'. Also saw people with simple questions shit on. I decided it wasn't for me and found the conversations I viewed as distasteful. Your experience may not reflect this but I think you can understand my opinion if these are the interactions I saw.

 

To be clear. I've liked something from every iteration of Halo and have been playing since Ce (first game I ever played on a brand new Xbox). I personally like the direction Halo 5 went with their mechanics but completely understand someone disliking the direction it went. There will be those that like certain changes and others that don't, I accept that.

 

I like having healthy discussions around those mechanics and changes between the different games to better understand what turned the other person off or get them to understand what you liked. I would never belittle another person's option because everyone is welcome to one. The discord is also useful for that and this is not the first time we have had discussions comparing previous halos.

 

Josh and Fender both have opinions about the previous Gens that I'm sure you would have agreed with. Im not sure what you mean by "343 apologists". If you like a product I'm not sure what you'd demand as an apology. I disliked halo 4 and was vocal about that. I liked the matchmaking in halo 5 and made it known. There are plenty of things I hate about it (lack of split screen, worst campaign in halo history, broken UI bugs). Everyone has problems with every game on the discord, even if some are minor and some are major.

 

Anyways I mainly just wanted to conclude the conversation as you left. I'm always open to different talks and discussions and wanted to apologize if my opinion of this forum (from my experience) was offensive to you.

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How does one have a cancerous h3 hc 2v2experience. Did they suicide to kill you more? did they send you hateful msgs Midgame?

 

 

 

Also @limitz most of the people who complain about beyond being toxic post are the ones who post bait like "the h3 br was the best utility wep" or "sprint is good for halo." And while it might not be meant as bait, its just we've all explain why that isnt the case a million times. It seems like 99% of these people dont want to have a debate, just force their opinion on others. And we here of beyond got our facts in an excel spreadsheet. Ive witnessed many people get -100 while defending h5 only to stop responding before admitting they were wrong objectively. Its never a true debate. Just beyond regulars presenting facts and the other guy stating he likes it and its better.

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Paladin, I'm sorry if my words offended you. I merely expressed my opinion of what I experienced while perusing the forums. I'll leave you with my response I left before I realized you left the discord:

 

"I think there was a time where team beyond was a useful spot to congregate and have healthy discussions after the MLG forums dissolved. But the people who remained on the forums and the conversations that I browsed were the most toxic shit I have ever seen. A simple question from someone resulted in just a downpour of people just being jackasses if they didn't feel it warranted their time.

 

With regards to the type of halo most members wanted I am obviously bias because I prefer halo 5, but that wasn't always the case. I quit halo 5 after the first 6 months because I hated it. When I wanted to return and try It again the team beyond forums are where I went. There was so much vitriol and non-constructive conversations. It was "halo is dead, fuck 343,trash game, bring on the next halo". I think I saw one meaningful discussion comparing the relative speed of gameplay to map speeds.

 

Either way. It seemed to be to composed of a legacy halo community. But you can still engage in healthy discussions and dislike the older franchise. Maybe my experience is not representative of the whole if you're a regular there because I've only dropped in a few times. But that's exactly how I felt."

 

Tldr;when I visited this forum to learn about h5 mechanics and the pro scene all I saw were non-constructive posts basically saying 'fuck halo 5'. Also saw people with simple questions shit on. I decided it wasn't for me and found the conversations I viewed as distasteful. Your experience may not reflect this but I think you can understand my opinion if these are the interactions I saw.

 

To be clear. I've liked something from every iteration of Halo and have been playing since Ce (first game I ever played on a brand new Xbox). I personally like the direction Halo 5 went with their mechanics but completely understand someone disliking the direction it went. There will be those that like certain changes and others that don't, I accept that.

 

I like having healthy discussions around those mechanics and changes between the different games to better understand what turned the other person off or get them to understand what you liked. I would never belittle another person's option because everyone is welcome to one. The discord is also useful for that and this is not the first time we have had discussions comparing previous halos.

 

Josh and Fender both have opinions about the previous Gens that I'm sure you would have agreed with. Im not sure what you mean by "343 apologists". If you like a product I'm not sure what you'd demand as an apology. I disliked halo 4 and was vocal about that. I liked the matchmaking in halo 5 and made it known. There are plenty of things I hate about it (lack of split screen, worst campaign in halo history, broken UI bugs). Everyone has problems with every game on the discord, even if some are minor and some are major.

 

Anyways I mainly just wanted to conclude the conversation as you left. I'm always open to different talks and discussions and wanted to apologize if my opinion of this forum (from my experience) was offensive to you.

It was mostly aimed at spacechrist. I honestly felt like I was being spoken to condescendingly because of my opinion about H5. There are people here who like H5. I just feel they voiced their reasonings better.

 

My leaving was more a recognition that I needed to cool down. I’m passionate about Halo. I don’t think rationally sometimes when I talk about it. I did not want to yell at anyone. One of my flaws is that I’m an angry person.

 

I was about to get very angry. IMO, none of the mechanics added, besides possibly thrust (and that needs reworking imo), add anything to Halo. They changed the game at the absolute peak of its popularity, and it failed. It’s failed for 6 years. But the guys who like the older style are the ones who need to change? We’ve tried modern Halo for 2 titles now... maybe it’s time to try our Halo again.

 

And that wasn’t supposed to be an attack on SVP or even personally on Spacechrist. I absolutely loved the idea of the group and I hope you guys are hugely successful! I guess it was less what said, and more the way he said it that made me mad. He even admitted he was being derogatory when he said I like “sloth” Halo. It just seemed like a “you’re wrong, I’m right, haha adapt” situation to me. That’s sorta what miffed me about the cancerous comment too. There is a lot of very smart people here, pages and pages of discussion about mechanics, design, etc. Everyone is here because we love Halo.

 

And I’ve lurked here a long time. Everyone who is angry is angry for a reason. We love this franchise and it’s been treated like shit for the better part of a decade. Not even limited to mechanics. Updates, HCS, transparency, etc. All handled poorly.

 

Also to clarify, the definition of apologist is “a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial.”

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How does one have a cancerous h3 hc 2v2experience. Did they suicide to kill you more? did they send you hateful msgs Midgame?

 

I've played three games now. In the second one my teammate told me to just quit after I started 0-2, started yelling at me for not hiding so he could win the game 1v2, and when I said "fuck it, I'll go ahead and hide" he yelled at me for getting found and not hiding better after I died once. In the third game I lost a 1v1 fight and my teammate told me to quit out and yelled at me any time he got someone down to red bar and I wasn't in position to finish the kill.

 

I'm bad and understand that that's gonna result in some heated words directed at me, just wish those words didn't come so soon right off the bat in the first minute or two of the game when I haven't even had a chance to settle in and really see where I stand compared to the other three players in the game.

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I've played three games now. In the second one my teammate told me to just quit after I started 0-2, started yelling at me for not hiding so he could win the game 1v2, and when I said "fuck it, I'll go ahead and hide" he yelled at me for getting found and not hiding better after I died once. In the third game I lost a 1v1 fight and my teammate told me to quit out and yelled at me any time he got someone down to red bar and I wasn't in position to finish the kill.

 

I'm bad and understand that that's gonna result in some heated words directed at me, just wish those words didn't come so soon right off the bat in the first minute or two of the game when I haven't even had a chance to settle in and really see where I stand compared to the other three players in the game.

This is why I have my voice set to mute all typically.
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I've played three games now. In the second one my teammate told me to just quit after I started 0-2, started yelling at me for not hiding so he could win the game 1v2, and when I said "fuck it, I'll go ahead and hide" he yelled at me for getting found and not hiding better after I died once. In the third game I lost a 1v1 fight and my teammate told me to quit out and yelled at me any time he got someone down to red bar and I wasn't in position to finish the kill.

 

I'm bad and understand that that's gonna result in some heated words directed at me, just wish those words didn't come so soon right off the bat in the first minute or two of the game when I haven't even had a chance to settle in and really see where I stand compared to the other three players in the game.

 

That sucks man. Especially at level 1...those people need to chill the hell out. That's an instant mute from me. If they're gonna act like that, time to turn on "bot simulator" mode.

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@@Riddler I can't really comment on other peoples opinion/experience of team beyond, only my own. I was the one who said it was cancerous back in the discord because that was simply my experience. I honestly don't even recall the conversation that had people being so negative as it's been 2 years now. It was some basic question about the mechanics or something of H5, not a discussion, and everyone was just being an asshole. I understand repeatedly going over your talking points on forums can be exhausting when the same topics come up. As is the nature of all forums that hold that sort of discussion though. I also can't really speak for these people because I wasn't there for whatever conversations you're referring to. Ultimately I will say mostly everything seems to come down to peoples personal preference for things and less about any facts.

@Paladin I feel like you're referring to the Reddit thread, not the discord, for that conversation (just read the thread today). SpaceChrist is genuinely a good guy but he's very passionate about H5 and I think his attitude is due to the responses he's gotten on those forums over the last year. He is capable and has put up points before about things he's liked about H5 but there have been several members on the CompHalo subreddit that don't want to engage in those types of discussions. So every positive opinion he's ever said on those forums has been downvoted by those abusing the voting system on the reddit. So I think his attitude at the time of posted was sort of a building up of people trying to silence him instead of actually engaging in any sort of conversation like a regular well mannered human being. But, that's again the nature of a forum like Reddit where people can hide your opinion if they disagree with it instead of responding to it. 

I won't bother getting into a large conversation debating the titles because I've made my opinion clear on Discord as well as Reddit in the past. I like every halo game that has come out and chances I will like all future iterations. Be it solely for the campaign, matchmaking, couch coop, w/e. I can rank games as a whole and I can rank them based off individual components. My opinion and what I like in the games also changes as I age and life changes. I went from enjoying it as a social aspect to something much more competitive in nature. Thus my wants and distastes change to reflect that. As it stands I like H5 competitive matchmaking the most. Halo 4 matchmaking the least. I can enjoy playing older halos on LAN with old friends like old times.

But I'd be lying if I said I've been enjoying it as much as I have with Halo 5. And that's okay! I hope they're able to find a balance with Halo Infinite that everyone can appreciate but depending on what you like in a Halo game, this could be impossible and there may always be a split in the community for what they want. If you ever want my opinion on anything in particular you can feel free to have it, just hit me up in game so things don't get lost in translation :)

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I think there's a big difference between liking the game and playing the game until the next iteration comes out. I liked CE through 3 enough to continue playing them until the next game came out. Reach ended that. H4 and H5 continued being games I would only play for a few weeks. MCC actually just pissed me off because it was games that I really do enjoy but now they're in at least 1080p, 60 FPS, and most importantly only work sometimes. You could say I "liked" all of them but the difference between playing for a few weeks and a few years is massive. Sometimes people do age and things change but sometimes they don't. For me as of now I still enjoy the old games and I'm willing to play as much as I ever did so its not really about that when it comes to newer titles.

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