Halo: The Master Chief Collection Discussion

[Kaz]

 

 

 

 

 

WARNING SEIZURES.

[Moa]

 

WARNING SEIZURES.

Ordnance ready?

[Nj Pro]

I know alot of peeps are upset about the FOV, but i feel like it is blown a little out of proportion- I think if Orge 2 and Orge 1 split screen, they will still dominate.

 

I know it is not the "as we remembered it", but damn it is pretty effin close! At least we got Halo back:) 

[Mintograde]

Your team is 2 dead on Hang Em High, you've just spawned under blue pistol, your 4th player is alive in middle trench, unseen at the moment. Player 2 spawns in 1 second, player 3 spawns in 4. The enemies are at top blue, and camo, controlling the map.

 

You have to know to not move off spawn to force a blue pistol spawn, and then THAT player has to make a judgement call, to block his spawn and force a random, or to move off of it and spawn player 3 with him.

Knowing that teammates are spawning is just basic awareness that fullscreen players should have, too.

 

A better example is placing blind nades based on your partner's screen. The advantage is crystal clear when the alternative is saying "he has no shields behind the 3rd tombstone from the left, all the way in the back."

[Hitzel_89]

I absolutely agree that seeing your 1 teammates screen is definitely faster, but isn't there some skill in being able to relay your location and status to your teammate? Don't you think that same logic could be used for H2 and on? Why isn't that such a demand in H1?

If 343 started changing mechanics of Halo 2 with no option to play in the old style people would be roiting in the streets. Why can't Halo 1 get that same level of respect?

[Aphex Twin]

Fov issues and weapon timers are really holding me back from buying an xbox 1.

[Spartan0S36]

Ordnance ready?

 

MOA DROP READY.

[Sitri]

and more teamwork

 

Where does this fit into your post?

 

[chaosTheory]

I know everyone in the universe thinks their view and their opinion is the only one that matters because everyone else is just background noise to their own little story but look:

 

If you have no stake at all in the changes to Halo CE on MCC, then just shut up about it. If you don't care and you're just looking forward to Halo 2 and Halo 3, why do you feel the need to interject your opinion on why we're all crybabies or whatever? As hitzel just mentioned, if there were significant, important, negative changes to Halo 2 Classic or Halo 3, this forum would be in full rage mode. I know it's hard for you dudes who have never really experienced Halo outside of the alone-in-your-bedroom-fullscreen-headset experience to imagine, but split screen is actually the PREFERRED way to play for the vast majority if not the entire population of competitive Halo CE players. Everything about it is better, from being able to perfectly time very specific and, at times, risky spawn tricks, to non-verbal information from the other screen, to the MUCH better FoV, to the pistol aiming just feeling better and more consistent.

 

I have two X1 stations set up for my wife and I with two monitors side by side so theoretically I shouldn't care about this at all, but I was one of the most disappointed because I was still planning on playing mostly splitscreen on both XBL and LAN. Bonesaw's post on the last page is a perfect example of non-verbal information that you can get from other screens in a matter of a second or two that three people probably could not effectively communicate in time to make the best choice. It's an extreme example from a 4-split game but it's an example of why hearing someone screaming ONE SHOT P2 is not in the same universe as being able to see what they're doing throughout the whole game while already having a better experience than full screen anyway. I literally had two friends back in the day that would set up a 2v2 and then quit the other player out so they could play 1v1 without having to deal with full screen because they hated it in comparison to split. I mean, how many people are aware that some h1 folks will even webcam skype their screen to a remote xbc partner? It may seem silly to some people but it's important to others.

 

If you dont know any of that and you just have had the terrible experience of Halo 2 on split 4:3 and are wondering why we are complaining, then just try to learn something instead of calling us names. Don't assume you know everything. Most of the backlash to the backlash on this forum comes off as "I'm still really happy about what I'm getting for MCC and you complainers are harshing my buzz."

 

All that said, I really hope the reaction to the leak gets the devs to take a second look at the little details and realize just how important this remake is to a good number of people. Not just the competitive community either - that reddit thread is still #2 in r/halo with almost 1400 upvotes (which translates to MUCH more than that after the reddit algorithms are applied) a full 22 hours after it was posted. People who know and understand CARE about the details.

[Antidope]

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[Moa]

[OG Nick]

@@chaosTheory wonderful post. I agree 100% with what you said, but not because I played a ton of Halo CE split-screen. I agree because for two years 2008-2010 I had my first OG Xbox and didn't have a 360. Two of my friends and I would play Halo 2 split-screen for 4+ hours a day. Split-screen is very important to a game, especially Halo CE. I may not have played CE for 13+ years like some people, but if I loaded up Halo 2 and they made an extremely detrimental change like that to the experience of "The original multiplayer" I would riot as much as anyone is rioting now over the FoV. So, I'll stand by what i'm about to say, if you don't care about the FoV change, or think that the reation is unwarranted, think of what would happen if someone took your favorite thing; they changed it to be close, but not the same, THEN while you were asking for a small fix, people started to tell you how horrible you are. I hope everyone begins to understand all the backlash, but post Halo CE it seems the community just gets more and more embarrassing. 

[ImperiumVII]

I'll never play CE on split. I probably won't ever play anything on split considering my setup. But I hope you guys get the change you want.

343 hasn't responded yet, though. Usually isn't good. They're certainly aware by this point.

[Zandermannnn]

I'll never play CE on split. I probably won't ever play anything on split considering my setup. But I hope you guys get the change you want.

 

343 hasn't responded yet, though. Usually isn't good. They're certainly aware by this point.

Ya, that may be because it was leaked information though. They may be waiting till release or when they allow multiplayer to be shown.

[Moa]

Ya, that may be because it was leaked information though. They may be waiting till release or when they allow multiplayer to be shown.

I'm honestly surprised the post on Waypoint hasn't been edited/locked yet either. 

 

If anything, expect a response once the game is out.

[ImperiumVII]

Ya, that may be because it was leaked information though. They may be waiting till release or when they allow multiplayer to be shown.

Ehhhh...

[overuled]

I love you cT

[El Vortex]

cT goat'ing, again.

 

10 more days  people....

[Have100YTSubs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVE34zvCSAQ

[Ascendants]

Not big on Campaign gameplay. Can't wait till they show more MP or Forge gameplay if they allow streamers to do that. 

[stylo90]

Have you tested this? The weekly update bungie released about this said it would remain in campaign. Im too lazy to test it myself.  http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_Nation:Bungie_Weekly_Update_04-15-05

Yeah, it's been tested pretty thoroughly iirc, not by me though. If I recall you can kind of get a sword fly on occasion but it's very rare. More often than not you will travel forward a tiny bit and then stop. @@Monopoli could tell you more.

[Vetoed]

If you dont know any of that and you just have had the terrible experience of Halo 2 on split 4:3 and are wondering why we are complaining, then just try to learn something instead of calling us names. Don't assume you know everything. 

I have to admit that starting with H2 splitscreening on LANs until H3 came out, it made little sense to me. I figured that for the most part, it was just to have the advantage of not having to communicate as much, but I did ask a few CE people, after listening them talk about it and thinking a little, it does make sense. CE has the kind of meta that's deep enough to make it so not splitscreening cripples the experience this much, because there's just this much going on at the same time (not in a chaotic way, just things to factor in). I always thought that having a bigger / clearer resolution on-screen would be the best experience, but I was wrong.

 

Of course it's hard to wrap your head around the whole thing and see how this is an issue if you're not aware in the slightest of how CE works at the higher levels. Especially when you started with the later games, with a watered down map control metagame, it's far from being the most obvious thing, and no one can deny the fact that Halo players have this tendency to hop on hype / hate bandwagons and it can lead into a lot of unwarranted bullshit. If you look at the past 20-25 pages of this thread, you can feel the clear tension between CE players and everyone else, and it kinda sucks because we should all be cheesing about how we're getting all the Halo games on nextgen in just a few days, and we're FINALLY back, rather than arguing about which game does what better.

 

To me, even though I don't plan on picking up CE until I'm done grinding for a FFA 50 on MCC, this whole thing is as simple as this. CE players should at least be able to get the game as they remember it. Everyone would want their favorite game as they remember it (except Halo 3's netcode, that shit can do die in a hole somewhere). I do understand why the PC version of CE made more sense for networking, despite not being as good at the original console version, and I guess that's just something that couldn't be helped. But the FOV ordeal a gross oversight on their part, and it's not that hard to fix in relation to how much it would enhance the CE experience for some.

 

Since at the end of the day, we're all Halo kids (I don't care how old anyone is), the least we can do is come together and show at least a bit of support for something that's causing a visible upset for a group of people. All this condescending bullshit gets so old after a while.

 

Everyone should remember that the more people who can get online, launch up Halo and have fun, the better position we're all in as a collective group of people.

[Ethereal Nights]

I know alot of peeps are upset about the FOV, but i feel like it is blown a little out of proportion- I think if Orge 2 and Orge 1 split screen, they will still dominate.

 

I know it is not the "as we remembered it", but damn it is pretty effin close! At least we got Halo back:) 

 

I hate posts like this. It's passive aggressive nonsense. You're basically just saying "deal with it".

 

I don't understand how other people can't wrap their heads around this issue. Split screen is important for a shit ton of people because THAT IS HOW YOU PLAY HALO CE. That's how it's been played for over a decade. And not because it was the only option available. It's just significantly better to play that way.

 

It's people like you that don't care about this kind of shit that gives developers like 343 the idea that they can make these kind of changes. It's frustrating.

[Patch Stay]

Anddddddddd we're still talking about it. Wasn't this all said about 30 pages ago?

[Cujjer]

Think back to your first time playing halo. Was it because you went out and bought an xbox or because you played it at a friends house? I think for most people it was over at some friends house and that initial experience determines alot of what your opinion of halo is. Its suprising to me that devs dont target that at a friends house experience as being their main priority because thats what gets people to buy your game.