Ramirez77 Posted January 24, 2018 "PC has no games" is almost as stupid as "The human eye can't see more than 24fps". Almost. There are a countless amount of indie games on PC and only a very tiny portion of those ever get ported to console. The console indie scene is a complete farce in comparison. Listing them all would be damn near impossible, there are probably ones being made and spread around right as I type this. Meanwhile, most AAA games are multiplatform these days. The vast majority of games you play can be found on PC. The only real exceptions are Nintendo games and imported games from Japan on the PS4. I highly doubt you're that into either, and PC has it's own exclusive AAA games as well. Even if you want to assume consoles have the lead in this area though it's still nowhere near makes up for the above point about indie games. And of course you contradict yourself earlier. Implying we can't use decade old PC games as an example, but then also imply you're counting Xbox 360 games because you don't own an Xbox One. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post
-DeucEy- Posted January 24, 2018 I can run my games at 1440p+ @ 144+Hz w/ gsync on my PC. PC gaming is objectively better. Like the act of actually playing is better, not even talking about the control scheme, options, or whatever. My games have literally higher detail visuals and richer sound than anything I'd get on console. Are consoles easier? Sure, but one is definitely better than the other. Graphics =/= gameplay value. I have a PC that can play 1440p @ 144hz as well. If you're comparing the same game.. Sure, you can say it's "better." But in an overall scope, that equivalency doesn't exist. For example: NBA 2K18 Better on consoles. Why? More active population which allows for more community driven events and online features. Less issues with the 2K/Steam server syncs. "But my graphics are better, therefore the game is objectively better!" -- Which in this case.. Wrong, for the reasons I just listed. Pretty much all Fighting Games Fighting games also struggle with this population issue. Look at all anime fighters like Guilty Gear and the new Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. Population -- Died in a two weeks I'm sure. The majority of the population is on PS4, why? When you're on PC sometimes you get frame drops and when you're playing fighting games -- games that REQUIRE you to know frame data having frame drops is counter-intuitive to gameplay. Please stop saying things are "objectively" better when you can't quantitatively equate the two. Yes, we alllllll get it. PC graphics are better. I know because I have a PC that can do the same thing. However, we're not superior for having this platform to play on. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 24, 2018 He's a mobile gamer probably. Probably plays candy crush and clash kingdoms. Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 24, 2018 Graphics =/= gameplay value. I have a PC that can play 1440p @ 144hz as well. If you're comparing the same game.. Sure, you can say it's "better." But in an overall scope, that equivalency doesn't exist. For example: NBA 2K18 Better on consoles. Why? More active population which allows for more community driven events and online features. Less issues with the 2K/Steam server syncs. "But my graphics are better, therefore the game is objectively better!" -- Which in this case.. Wrong, for the reasons I just listed. Pretty much all Fighting Games Fighting games also struggle with this population issue. Look at all anime fighters like Guilty Gear and the new Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. Population -- Died in a two weeks I'm sure. The majority of the population is on PS4, why? When you're on PC sometimes you get frame drops and when you're playing fighting games -- games that REQUIRE you to know frame data having frame drops is counter-intuitive to gameplay. Please stop saying things are "objectively" better when you can't quantitatively equate the two. Yes, we alllllll get it. PC graphics are better. I know because I have a PC that can do the same thing. However, we're not superior for having this platform to play on. Sounds like you just picked games that tend to get really shitty PC ports. Is it really a surprise when population dies off because of a bad port? These games you mentioned are not shitty because they're on PC, they're shitty because the low tier devs doing ports are shitty. I'm certain I would prefer any fighting game on PC if it had a good port and meant I could play it at a higher res and faster refresh rate. No brainer. On a serious note, when it comes to fighting games, PC has the following game, what else could it possibly need? 4 Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 24, 2018 Please stop saying things are "objectively" According to google: Quote Share this post Link to post
-DeucEy- Posted January 24, 2018 Sounds like you just picked games that tend to get really shitty PC ports. Is it really a surprise when population dies off because of a bad port? These games you mentioned are not shitty because they're on PC, they're shitty because the low tier devs doing ports are shitty. I'm certain I would prefer any fighting game on PC if it had a good port and meant I could play it at a higher res and faster refresh rate. No brainer. On a serious note, when it comes to fighting games, PC has the following game, what else could it possibly need? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQRuWJT0MLI&t=20s So now we’re being selective in the games that we judge? If the platform is “objectively” better then it shouldn’t matter which games I’m choosing to elaborate on. This just goes to show you how weak this “PC > __” argument is. The games I’m referring to aren’t ports, they were natively released when the game came out. The population died because of the reasons I listed. I specifically named those two games because they weren’t ports. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post
Apoll0 Posted January 24, 2018 You still haven't prove me wrong If all the reasons put forth aren't proof, you're lost Quote Share this post Link to post
Dalahi Lama 2 Posted January 24, 2018 "PC has no games" is almost as stupid as "The human eye can't see more than 24fps". Almost. There are a countless amount of indie games on PC and only a very tiny portion of those ever get ported to console. The console indie scene is a complete farce in comparison. Listing them all would be damn near impossible, there are probably ones being made and spread around right as I type this. Meanwhile, most AAA games are multiplatform these days. The vast majority of games you play can be found on PC. The only real exceptions are Nintendo games and imported games from Japan on the PS4. I highly doubt you're that into either, and PC has it's own exclusive AAA games as well. Even if you want to assume consoles have the lead in this area though it's still nowhere near makes up for the above point about indie games. And of course you contradict yourself earlier. Implying we can't use decade old PC games as an example, but then also imply you're counting Xbox 360 games because you don't own an Xbox One. ok have fun playing your indie garbage while I play real games 7 Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 24, 2018 ok have fun playing your indie garbage while I play real games what real games? Be specific. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post
Apoll0 Posted January 24, 2018 Lets not forget about mods too. Thats only an option for like 2 console games? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 Lets not forget about mods too. Thats only an option for like 2 console games? Pretty much every console before the current gen has been blown wide open. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Apoll0 Posted January 24, 2018 Pretty much every console before the current gen has been blown wide open. Yeah true but that brings up the "barrier to entry" argument again. PC mods are easier to implement and there are still way more for more games. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 Yeah true but that brings up the "barrier to entry" argument again. PC mods are easier to implement and there are still way more for more games. Modding in general is almost always going to be done by enthusiasts and pirates. The rise of matchmaking and DLC has killed off mods anyway; devs want total control over their games. Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 24, 2018 So now we’re being selective in the games that we judge? If the platform is “objectively” better then it shouldn’t matter which games I’m choosing to elaborate on. This just goes to show you how weak this “PC > __” argument is. The games I’m referring to aren’t ports, they were natively released when the game came out. The population died because of the reasons I listed. I specifically named those two games because they weren’t ports. Maybe instead of 'objectively', the phrase 'as a whole' works better. The reason I chose to 'objectively' to qualify it as better is because it is not my personal feelings or opinions that makes it better. If you write down all the pros and cons of various consoles and PC, PC will come out with far more pros than the others and far less cons than the others. Especially when you average the most important desired qualities from the gaming community. Can you take small niche populations to make it look like there are less pros and more cons for PC. Sure. You can always take small sample situations to try and skew the results. But if you look at the big picture 'as a whole' and on average, PC has the most desirable traits and fewer undesirable traits. PC Consoles Pro Cons Pros Cons Resolution Price Price Frame-rate Caps Frame-rate Ease of use Ease of use Less high Res games Keyboard/Mouse Learning curve Learning curve Weak modding support Audio Bad ports Exclusives Keyboard and mouse Support Modding Living Room Couch Play Living Room couch play No multi monitor Hardware Customization Mobility(some) No 21:9 web browsing No Web browsing Indie Library Smaller indie library Biggest eSports Scene Less eSports emulators No 'unofficial' emulation Multi monitor support Less Modding support 21:9 Can't upgrade Upgradeability Less productive Versatility Smaller free to play Productivity/Multi tasking VR support and library Flexability Less games overall Free to play library Less sales VR support Bad ports Steam Family Share More games Cheaper Games More sales Better streaming platform More COTS HW Gsync/Freesync Feel free to edit the list. I tried to take my personal bias out as much as possible in an effort to be 'objective.' I also have had most consoles except the PS4 and Switch so I am biased from a well rounded experience. Edit. Sorry in advance, this will probably look terrible on mobile or perhaps from a console browser. Be sure to look at it on a PC 5 Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 But can console do this? Stream games over a network? Probably not, but I can run a bunch of emulators on my softmodded Wii. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
xSociety Posted January 24, 2018 Stream games over a network? Probably not, but I can run a bunch of emulators on my softmodded Wii. PS1, PS2, PS3, Wii, WiiU, Dreamcast, Gamecube, NES, SNES, N64, DS, and 3DS? Cause guess what can emulate all of those consoles? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 PS1, PS2, PS3, Wii, WiiU, Dreamcast, Gamecube, NES, SNES, N64, DS, and 3DS? Cause guess what can emulate all of those consoles? Citra works now? Quote Share this post Link to post
Nokt Posted January 24, 2018 PS1, PS2, PS3, Wii, WiiU, Dreamcast, Gamecube, NES, SNES, N64, DS, and 3DS? Cause guess what can emulate all of those consoles? Switch is supposedly out, i’d guess it’s pretty early in the alpha Quote Share this post Link to post
Moa Posted January 24, 2018 PS1, PS2, PS3, Wii, WiiU, Dreamcast, Gamecube, NES, SNES, N64, DS, and 3DS? Cause guess what can emulate all of those consoles? They finally got PS3 emulation working? Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 Switch is supposedly out, i’d guess it’s pretty early in the alpha "Early" in that it doesn't actually run any games. Quote Share this post Link to post
xSociety Posted January 24, 2018 They finally got PS3 emulation working? Yup. Like all emulators, it's not perfect. "Early" in that it doesn't actually run any games. I've seen BoTW running on a Switch emulator. So that's a start. Quote Share this post Link to post
Sitri Posted January 24, 2018 Yup. Like all emulators, it's not perfect. I've seen BoTW running on a Switch emulator. So that's a start. Breath of the Wild was on Wii U. Quote Share this post Link to post
Nokt Posted January 25, 2018 snip Xbox and PS4 both have family sharing. Bad Ports could also be placed under consoles (see PUBG even though its getting better) I don't really see the point of pulling Web Browsing out specifically. Does it have something special in terms to you playing games? I'd just say that PC's can do a lot more than game. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
QuietMan Posted January 25, 2018 Xbox and PS4 both have family sharing. Bad Ports could also be placed under consoles (see PUBG even though its getting better) I don't really see the point of pulling Web Browsing out specifically. Does it have something special in terms to you playing games? I'd just say that PC's can do a lot more than game. Fair enough. I just really enjoy alt tabbing out between games and browsing dank memes. Feels like I get more out of my time when I use my PC over all my other consoles. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post