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Seems pretty dead around here.  Here's this:  

 

 

The recording is old as hell (July 2018), so forgive the dead horse-beating. I had the memo sitting around in my phone and decided to do something with it.

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This video is super old, but the ending is so damn entertaining, and it occurred to me that I've never really shared it. This was from our Mayhem playtesting session last March, when we discovered how much we all loved Rat Race 1 Flag. Most of the drama from the end of the game comes from there being touch return enabled, which unfortunately is not the case in matchmaking.  Share in the joy of this moment.

 

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9 hours ago, Shekkles said:

Loooong article about the developement of Halo (all of them, 1-5 including ODST and Reach) but it's very insightful. Some really interesting notes about Halo 1/2 and how rushed they were.

 

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xwqjg3/the-complete-untold-history-of-halo-an-oral-history

I'm in the Halo 3 section right now and I swear 70% of this article has just been the same 4 guys recalling how everyone in the studio just fought with each other over their pointless game narrative. So basically (not that we didn't already know this) Halo 2 took a dive because a few nerds couldn't stay within their means or agree on the porn-tier story they wanted to overlay on top of the action. Awesome.

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This Halo 4 section... this is like watching the Hindenburg take off. First they hire this one lunatic creative director out of some Japanese game studio that wants to completely blow up the game because muh vision, to 343's credit they eventually see that his shit is totally insane, off the reservation, and outside the scope of what a mainline Halo game should consist of, but in a sense the damage was done because the Call of Halo game that they ended up pushing out actually probably seemed like normal, vanilla Halo compared to that other guy's bullcrap.

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It's amazing right?

Jason Jones sounds like an awful manager.

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God damn, Reach fucking blows dicks. I played ONE game of TU FFA after maybe 2 months of no Reach, and that's all it took to remind me just how dogshit it was. 

This is TU, no less. I can't imagine having to play base Reach. Bungie had maybe 2 brain cells shared among their multiplayer development team.

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It's mind boggling to think that Reach had the second highest population retention, after Halo 3. It just confirms that the vast majority of Halo players are chimps who'll play anything that has the word "Halo" on the box. 

People will say "Halo 4 and 5 aren't Halo" and then turn around and say that Reach was a good game. It's obvious that these kids just jump on the "343i sucks" bandwagon of clueless social infection-monkeys. It sucks because it means that all legitimate criticism and analysis gets drowned out underneath a sea of "DAE think they should add dinos and dual wielding needlers back to MP?!!11?1". Infinite could have a 2sec minimum TTK utility, no party matching, no ranked playlists or decent progression system, godawful maps and a shit spawn system, or whatever legitimate core issues and these people would complain because the sniper rifle doesn't look like it did in Halo CE-3. 

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9 minutes ago, _Synapse said:

It's mind boggling to think that Reach had the second highest population retention, after Halo 3. It just confirms that the vast majority of Halo players are chimps who'll play anything that has the word "Halo" on the box. 

People will say "Halo 4 and 5 aren't Halo" and then turn around and say that Reach was a good game. It's obvious that these kids just jump on the "343i sucks" bandwagon of clueless social infection-monkeys. It sucks because it means that all legitimate criticism and analysis gets drowned out underneath a sea of "DAE think they should add dinos and dual wielding needlers back to MP?!!11?1". Infinite could have a 2sec minimum TTK utility, no party matching, no ranked playlists or decent progression system, godawful maps and a shit spawn system, or whatever legitimate core issues and these people would complain because the sniper rifle doesn't look like it did in Halo CE-3. 

That's only because Reach rode off the popularity of H3. If you swapped the release order of H4 and Reach, H4––as shitty as it was––would have had the second highest population retention.

Doesn't refute the whole "mindless casual" argument though. In fact, it arguably supports it even further.

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Halo 2 actually had the greatest player retention, but yeah Reach is shit.

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"People who like x game are bad and ugly and I hate them"

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2 minutes ago, Mr Grim said:

"People who like x game are bad and ugly and I hate them"

What are your thoughts on unpatched, or even patched Reach? 

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Just now, _Synapse said:

What are your thoughts on unpatched, or even patched Reach? 

Irrelevant

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They aren't bad or ugly, but I definitely do consider them somewhat complacent and numb. 

Problem is, their feedback matters more than mine does to 343i. I'm fine with them running around with ARs and banshees and promethean vision- as long as it doesn't affect the game that I have to play. 

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Shit posting and being upset about halo reach still In 2020. LOL 

It's been out like a decade, you know what you're getting, why put yourself through the pain just to bitch about it. 

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13 hours ago, ShmaltzyLatkes said:

That's only because Reach rode off the popularity of H3. 

This reminds me of when halo 3 come out, MLG forums hated it, if you come up with the argument that it has amazing online numbers people would tell you well that's cos it rode off the popularity of halo 2. 

Halo 4 died in like within month...  Halo reach had good numbers for like 2 years. People ain't gonna carry on playing a game they hate just because they like the one before. 

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16 hours ago, Gold said:

This reminds me of when halo 3 come out, MLG forums hated it, if you come up with the argument that it has amazing online numbers people would tell you well that's cos it rode off the popularity of halo 2. 

Halo 4 died in like within month...  Halo reach had good numbers for like 2 years. People ain't gonna carry on playing a game they hate just because they like the one before. 

I agree with you, but at the same time each game does thrive off the success of the previous title to some extent. It has to do with it's place within the market. Halo 2 held players until halo 3 released. This allowed it to supplant 2s position because the market interest was still there. Halo 3 was really just reinforcing a position that already existed.

Now, if halo 3 was bad it wouldn't have successfully maintained this, in fact that's exactly what happened with h4. Bad in this case however, refers to how h4 didn't fill the market hole when it supplanted reach. This is because it was virtually unrecognizable as a "halo" title whereas halo 3 was recognizable as such. As far as the market was concerned, it was almost as if a halo game never came out in 2012. The transition of players wasn't nearly as smooth because the market hole that halo 4 was attempting to fill, already had been by other games. Halo 3 was what people who occupied that market position were looking for. With halo 4, it was the opposite. 

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Can we cool it with calling people who like Reach/4/5 "chimps" and cretins etc.? It's just not very constructive.

One of my best friends' favourite games of all time is Reach. His first job was in 2010 and he saved for a monitor, Xbox and Xbox Live. Never had a console before.

Then Reach comes out and he bought it alongside a nice new Xbox, monitor and Live. He was so happy. Reach is his favourite because of the memories he had playing his first game.

It's the exact same reason Halo 3 is my favourite even though I don't think it's objectively the best. There's a lot more than gameplay that makes a game loved. 

You think INSIDE has "overwhelmingly positive reviews" for it's deep gameplay? 

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9 hours ago, Squatting Bear said:

ICYMI: HiB is hosting what may very well be the final Halo montage contest:

Details

 

 

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For what it's worth, I think Reach was a very good game. Just not faithful to arena gameplay and therefore still a bad Halo in my eyes. I have my best Halo memories on Reach, even, but it wasn't because how competitive it was. I hated Ranked even though I wanted to like it. On occasion I still load up some BTB Reach and jetpack snipe on my favorite perch/exploit spots. Or when I play with my brother we spam holograms like it's going out of style and fake out the enemy every five seconds. It's dirty heresy against the Halo formula...but still so fun.

5 is also a very good game right now and a decently good Halo at that. Was so lacking at launch of course.

4 is a trash video game in general except for ProMod and the campaign story.

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9 hours ago, Nokt said:

Yeah literally leaves me speechless.  I dont even know how I'm gonna review that entry.

Here's another strong submission one by Fuster & Stormy
 

 

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5 hours ago, Squatting Bear said:

Here's another strong submission one by Fuster & Stormy
 

 

Bit of a slow start, but about 1min in, this mf’er right here TAKES OFF. Thanks for posting.

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On 3/4/2020 at 5:31 AM, Jake Teh Nub said:

CE has crashed three different times for me tonight,. 10/10 fantastic port of 20 year old game.

 

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lol maybe in 5 years the game will be just as fixed as halo MCC on xbox. 

In other words... still broke.

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