Halo: The Master Chief Collection Discussion

[Bdog]

H3 argument still going? Holy crap. I know it has problems but lol if people think it's a bad game.

[Defacto]

Team Hardcore is fun but is garbage without ranks. We also need 4v4 only. These maps were not meant to be played on 3v3.

[Antidope]

I did like Narrows and Pit Flag even Midship Flag although I wished Ball stayed in its place; but all the Ball and Hill gametypes were better including Pit King and Lockdown Ball.

 

Maybe I'm just tired of flag being that since H3 and beyond its being forced down our throats as the only OBJ gametype.

 

I played one game of Team Hardcore this morning and remembered how useless Camo is in this game. You're not even invisible you're basically Shadow Mario like

 

[Rocker]

How to instantly piss me off: Be a 12 year old kid chewing loudly into the mic and making my ear drums bleed.

 

This is what I do to those kids - xboxdvr.com/Rawkher/ada91178-90b8-49a9-9883-7e7639b309ff

[Nabster]

I think it's funny how every time the "Halo 3 is garbage" comes up you instantly have half a dozen h3 apologists come in and explain how "it can be bad since everyone played it"  and "besides, it is my OPINION that halo 3 is literally better than world peace and a cure for cancer".

 

However, as soon as someone says they liked HR/H4/H5 all of a sudden "opinions" don't matter and you have to put in a half page disclaimer how you are only speaking in hypotheticals and you are only playing devil's advocate etcetera.

 

I think MCC is actually a great way to lay all the nostalgia nonsense to rest because outside of things like shitty h2 registration everyone can finally experience that "team brs halo"   really never was that good in the first place. Every time I hear people talking about the magic h1-3 formula I cringe because such a thing doesn't even exist.

 

We haven't gotten a good halo game in forever because even many of the so called "competitive" players apparently don't realize the terrible things about h2 and h3.

When they were being played the amount of (deserved) hate they got was incredible, but as soon as a new title came out it was all forgotten all of a sudden.

 

If "we" can't even tell good gameplay mechanics from bad ones, how do "we" even expect 343 to do so?

[Antidope]

But then that would mean that CE is the only good game and a whole new argument starts.

 

CE and Team BRs Halo were both great, Halo abilities is bad. Thats how I look at it.

[Proven]

Halo 3 is a great game. I totally understand that the shooting mechanics were not good, but the entire package was phenomenal.

[Cursed Lemon]

It had a utility weapon that was easy to learn, more importantly easy to grasp, how it behaved, hard to master and on top of all that addictive to just shoot. The br's rhythmic burst is fun to shoot. A common complaint you hear from players who don't enjoy single fire weapons is "it's boring to shoot".

 

Now I feel part of the reason for people feeling this way is because of the longer ttk from h2 onwards. Nothing worse than a single shot weapon that takes forever to kill. Of course this is easily remedied by a good single shot weapon a.k.a the h1 pistol. Its low ttk, combined with it's fast firing rate make it fun to shoot and there is a lot to be said for that in itself.

 

What do casuals love about h3? As far as the utility weapon fights are concerned it's all about 1v1 br battles. Yes at the highest level, it's all about team shot but if you're playing casual or going in alone in mm. The most effecient way to win your battles is to try constantly get 1v1s (due to ttk and it being near impossible to out br two people unless they are both chalk-lining your ass) because even if you are down shots you can come back with smart play in h3 1v1 br battle royale.

 

Casuals and intermediate players, love that addictive feeling of knowing they are better that you get from the unique shot lead/tracking mechanic of the h3br. The slow ttk, made this achievable to more people (the right way to make something accessible) and again easy to learn, hard to master all wraps up into makin the wonderful experience that is simply shooting the br.

 

Now! My point is, when you're game is fun to play simply by shooting the gun you use 95% of the time and is satisfying then you have struck gold. It enchances the rest of the game when you can have fun simply shooting. Without even getting into all the other factors of h3 that made it good, The simple fact that you can have so much fun just shooting the utility weapon, despite it's shortcomings (if you've ever read my previous posts, you will know I am not ignorant to h3's flaws) is a big part in h3's wide and long lasting appeal.

 

Tldr: a big part of h3's success and long lasting appeal (as evidenced by it's strong population even today) comes down ironically enough the biggest complaint the circlejerk has about the game. When your fps is addictive and fun to play at it's core, it only amplifies everything else good about the game.

 

Things can be good in more than just one way. The circlejerk reminds me of teenagers that think metal is "the only music worth listening to" and that everything else is crap. It's a very childish mentality. If you truly can't see what's good about h3 and hell as evil as it is, McDonalds. Then I hate to break it to you but you are the one who is truly ignorant/narrow minded.

Not only is most of this wrong, it completely "chalk-lines" the issue.

 

No one here cares whether Halo impresses casual players because that has never been a point of concern up until the point 343 actively invested millions of dollars into research on how to ruin the Halo franchise. Casual players do not see the problems that competitive players complain about, ergo our changes can be made to the game and the casual fan will never be the wiser. Or were you not around in 2008 when this was the topic of discussion in literally every single thread on the MLG forums? Remember that game Halo CE that appeased every demographic? Wow, it turns out you can satisfy more than one group at once! Who'da thunk it? Nevermind the fact that the real and ACTUAL key to a balanced game experience is a FUNCTIONING RANKING SYSTEM.

 

And please tell me how in god's name is a BR with a random bullet spread and randomly dropped shots in any way, shape, or form intuitive to the casual player? How about dirtied weapons? How about the fact that competitive play stripped out nearly every extraneous item/weapon and doesn't use radar? How about the fact that casual players don't play BR start gametypes in the first place? 

 

Halo's popularity followed a very, VERY standard curve for the gaming industry. Halo 3 rode the crest of Halo CE's revolutionary gameplay for the period, followed by Halo 2's literal creation of the online console multiplayer experience that we know today. Halo Reach fell off not because its gameplay sucked and not because it wasn't engaging to casual fans for the irrelevant reasons you listed, but because it offered exactly nothing new to the general gaming world. It is incredibly easy to see that Halo's popularity was unsustainable following Halo 3, and it has nothing to do with "how much fun the DMR is to shoot". 

 

And as far as whether or not being popular made Halo 3 "good", I'm really not going to have this banal conversation because the context in which this forum generally speaks is blatantly obvious to all but the biggest fucking pedants. 

[LimeSoda]

Casuals enjoyed Halo 3 because there were a lot of fun features such as forge, infection, theatre, social, etc. Not because of the inconsistent utility weapon and "1 on 1 BR battles".

[Gamerzdisease]

Turn on xbone to play HC, play two games, both times entire team quit, proceed to turn off xbox lol.  This is freaking pathetic.  Ya I should blame the people for quitting for being down 2 kills but what does it hurt if they quit?  There's no ranking system, no time ban for quitting, they have nothing to lose for quitting. 

[BigShow36]

Halo 3 is a great game. I totally understand that the shooting mechanics were not good, but the entire package was phenomenal.

 

How can a First Person Shooter with bad shooting mechanics be a "phenomenal" package? That's a like a car with a bad engine being called a great vehicle.

[Destroyaaa]

I just played 4v4 Team hardcore dedicated servers CTF midship. Glorious

[BlessedOrange]

Boy I wish all of you were around in 2007 to tell me halo 3 sucked before I had a great time playing it.

 

It didn't even occur to me I was wasting my time with a shitty game *smacks forehead*

[VinFTW]

These kind of arguments just make you realize one, fundamental thing regarding Halo: People's TRUE Halo is different for everybody. Halo 3 was fantastic for me, but Halo 2 was better. Is Halo 2 TRUE Halo? No, maybe for me, but for someone else it might be CE. 

 

There hasn't been a universally agreed upon definition of true Halo since... Halo 1. 

[Duji]

2015 And we're still arguing about the H3 BR.

 

Carry on.

[Patch Stay]

Not only is most of this wrong, it completely "chalk-lines" the issue.

 

No one here cares whether Halo impresses casual players because that has never been a point of concern up until the point 343 actively invested millions of dollars into research on how to ruin the Halo franchise. Casual players do not see the problems that competitive players complain about, ergo our changes can be made to the game and the casual fan will never be the wiser. Or were you not around in 2008 when this was the topic of discussion in literally every single thread on the MLG forums? Remember that game Halo CE that appeased every demographic? Wow, it turns out you can satisfy more than one group at once! Who'da thunk it? Nevermind the fact that the real and ACTUAL key to a balanced game experience is a FUNCTIONING RANKING SYSTEM.

 

And please tell me how in god's name is a BR with a random bullet spread and randomly dropped shots in any way, shape, or form intuitive to the casual player? How about dirtied weapons? How about the fact that competitive play stripped out nearly every extraneous item/weapon and doesn't use radar? How about the fact that casual players don't play BR start gametypes in the first place? 

 

Halo's popularity followed a very, VERY standard curve for the gaming industry. Halo 3 rode the crest of Halo CE's revolutionary gameplay for the period, followed by Halo 2's literal creation of the online console multiplayer experience that we know today. Halo Reach fell off not because its gameplay sucked and not because it wasn't engaging to casual fans for the irrelevant reasons you listed, but because it offered exactly nothing new to the general gaming world. It is incredibly easy to see that Halo's popularity was unsustainable following Halo 3, and it has nothing to do with "how much fun the DMR is to shoot". 

 

And as far as whether or not being popular made Halo 3 "good", I'm really not going to have this banal conversation because the context in which this forum generally speaks is blatantly obvious to all but the biggest fucking pedants. 

 

So, and try to not type like you're a fucking thesaurus, do you think Halo 3 was a bad game? Or do you just think it was a bad competitive game? Or do you just think it was bad when compared to its predecessors? 

 

If you answer 'Yes' to the first two questions then no amount of synonym searching will save you. You're wrong. Which is like the overwhelming opinion, man.

[xSociety]

So, and try to not type like you're a fucking thesaurus, do you think Halo 3 was a bad game? Or do you just think it was a bad competitive game? Or do you just think it was bad when compared to its predecessors? 

 

If you answer 'Yes' to the first two questions then no amount of synonym searching will save you. You're wrong. Which is like the overwhelming opinion, man.

I will state that Halo 2 and Halo 3 sucked but I would only say that because we had CE. Halo 2/3 were definitely the best and most competitive console games we had and are not "bad" games just not as good as the first Halo. Halo could have gotten better but it kept getting worse and worse and I believe that's why so many people are super critical of H2/3, myself included. 

[Roti]

I havnt played this game in weeks. Decided to try it out again and get a 3v3 slayer sanc game which i lost. Was fair.

 

Second game 3v3 oddball lockout which we won and was pretty fun and smooth for the most part.

 

Now me and my friend cannot find games together. It thinks we are in a party together when we are in seperate lobbies and tries to tell us one or more players is not ready or something. We both restarted MCC and still can't join now.

 

Sigh I was doing so much better off just staying away from this game idk why i do this to myself. I wish i didn't love Halo so much.

[xSociety]

I havnt played this game in weeks. Decided to try it out again and get a 3v3 slayer sanc game which i lost. Was fair.

 

Second game 3v3 oddball lockout which we won and was pretty fun and smooth for the most part.

 

Now me and my friend cannot find games together. It thinks we are in a party together when we are in seperate lobbies and tries to tell us one or more players is not ready or something. We both restarted MCC and still can't join now.

 

Sigh I was doing so much better off just staying away from this game idk why i do this to myself. I wish i didn't love Halo so much.

Restart the build. 

 

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[Witness]

Idk if this is a known glitch or not but I was playing some Halo 2 hardcore and it appeared that an enemy's dead body was able to return the flag haha.

 

https://account.xbox.com/en-us/gameclip/8b901edf-3763-4bf8-9970-7fd189677ae7?gamerTag=z%20Witness%20z&scid=77290100-225e-4768-9373-98164430a9f8

 

As if 343 didn't have enough stuff to fix

[Nades]

Bit ragey on here today, thought I was on Waypoint for a moment.

 

Dont really think these H1 vs H2 vs H3 arguments ever actually gets us anywhere.

[Zdann]

Bit ragey on here today, thought I was on Waypoint for a moment.

 

Dont really think these H1 vs H2 vs H3 arguments ever actually gets us anywhere.

Not really anything else to discuss at this point. What else can we say about MCC or 343 that hasn't been said before?

[Nades]

Not really anything else to discuss at this point. What else can we say about MCC or 343 that hasn't been said before?

True.

[ABearInTheWoods]

Idk if this is a known glitch or not but I was playing some Halo 2 hardcore and it appeared that an enemy's dead body was able to return the flag haha.

 

https://account.xbox.com/en-us/gameclip/8b901edf-3763-4bf8-9970-7fd189677ae7?gamerTag=z%20Witness%20z&scid=77290100-225e-4768-9373-98164430a9f8

 

As if 343 didn't have enough stuff to fix

 

Nothing will cease to amaze me when it comes to 343. 

[Patch Stay]

Lets talk about who the best player at the best halo is.