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Ronin vs EG tomorrow for 6th place, it goes H2H before map %

Are you sure ?? Because T2 said that Ronin and Str8 were set in 7th/8th.

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So EG is still at risk for relegation though honestly they seem like a stronger team then Ronin or Str8 so they should be fine either way.

 

Also if Envy 3-0s str8 tomorrow which they more then likely will how many games would TL need to win retake 3rd seed?

 

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as long as they dont finish 8th and have to face oxygen supremacy they should be fine

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as long as they dont finish 8th and have to face oxygen supremacy they should be fine

eg is really close to being great again, dropped game 5s to spylce, liquid, and nv..really impressed with the way falcated and tapping buttons have progressed
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So EG is still at risk for relegation though honestly they seem like a stronger team then Ronin or Str8 so they should be fine either way.

 

Also if Envy 3-0s str8 tomorrow which they more then likely will how many games would TL need to win retake 3rd seed?

 

1) You're automatically assuming TL is going to lose to OpTic.  Even if it's likely, you're counting chickens before they hatch.

 

2) Based off how the rules are being interpreted according to posts above, even if TL loses to OpTic 2-3 (best win/loss in a loss result for TL) and nV beats Str8 3-2 (worst win/loss in a win result for nV), so TL's map record is 15-13 and nV's in 17-13 (nV's is better), TL still comes out as 3rd because TL beat nV in the head to head.  There's a mathematically possible situation where TL loses 0-3 tomorrow and ends up 4-3, 13-13 and nV 3-0s tomorrow and ends up 4-3, 17-11...and TL still holds the 3rd place seed.  (Again, based off how the rules are being interpreted according to posts above.)  This post is made assuming Splyce beats LG, otherwise there will be a 3-way tie to break among LG, nV, and TL.

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He's right just check 3.7 of the rulebook- https://www.esl-one.com/fileadmin/user_upload/pro-league/halo/HCS_Pro_League_Summer_2017_Season_Handbook.pdf. I've never rooted for EG before but i will tomorrow 

"Season standings will be ranked by the following: 1. Match win/loss record 2. Game win percentage".

 

If those are tied it goes down to a H2H matchup, which won't be the case as it is impossible for Ronin to pass EG in Game win percentage.

 

It specifically says "For ties in season standings at the conclusion of the Regular Season: In a situation where only two teams are tied the deciding order is as follows: (head to head crap)".

 

At least that is how it looks to me.

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"Season standings will be ranked by the following: 1. Match win/loss record 2. Game win percentage".

 

If those are tied it goes down to a H2H matchup, which won't be the case as it is impossible for Ronin to pass EG in Game win percentage.

 

It specifically says "For ties in season standings at the conclusion of the Regular Season: In a situation where more than two teams are tied the deciding order is as follows: (head to head crap)".

 

At least that is how it looks to me.

 

something something living document meme

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something something living document meme

We can just go with whatever makes the most drama.  ;)

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Danoxide is extremely.underrated still.

 

Eg annoys me. So close but they have no second gear.

 

 

And yes they have avoided relegation. Map percentage is ahead of h2h.

 

 

I would love for @@Cratos to relegate ronin.

 

Tbf they lost NV for Echo Fox. Not a bad exchange

Echo fox already had a team. They lost a big org and didn't gain one.
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While unlikely EG can still place T4. First EG would have to win their match preferably 3-0 but they can still get T4 with a 3-2 but if they won 3-2 Nv would have to lose to Str8 3-0 and LG would have to lose at least 2-3. if EG were to go 3- against Ronin which isn't unlikely they would still need to have both Nv and LG lose but Nv could lose a close 3-2 which isn't so far-fetched. SO.. EGs could very well still make T4 and go to finals if they win a 3-0 series against Ronin, LG and Nv would both have to lose their series at least 3-2. They (EG, LG, and Nv) would all be sitting at (3-3) Match W/L which would trigger a H2H and the team with the highest Map W/L would take 4th. The W/L of all three teams is as followed

1. EG best scenario (1.153~)

2. Nv 2-3 L to Str8 (1.142~)

3. LG 2-3 L to OG (0.75)

Don't count EG out yet, their 3-0 win over Ronin is very likely and LG's loss to Splyce is also very likely. All they need is to Nv to choke a game 5. Also all you guys above that EG can still place 7th and go to relegation are dumb read the rules nerds.

 

Also fun scenario for thought, if LG were to win their match against Splyce 3-0 and Liquid to OpTic 0-3 they would be sent to a H2H which would cause them to be tied (4-3) Match W/L and (13-13) Map W/L. They would then be the first two teams to be tied in both Match and Map W/L, however LG would steal the 3rd place seed from Liquid due to the fact that LG beat Liquid week 2 (3-1). This seems like a small issue but keep in mind whomever takes 4  seed for finals would have to play OpTic Round 1 of a Double Elimination which puts them almost immediately into losers bracket. im naked

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^ champ bracket at dreamhack is 14 or 16 teams. They haven't said yet. 6 pro league, 4 eu, and 4 (or 6) from open.

 

 

Either way, having g a lower seed may give you an easier first Rd vs an EU team instead of an open NA team. (Assuming they give EU teams preferential seeds)

 

 

 

 

Edit: neighbor, walshy, bravo

 

http://compete.kotaku.com/then-and-now-talking-to-retired-pro-gamers-about-the-r-1796303060

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@@Moa risking everything to do this (probably)

 

Also it's clear going through the esl halo's twitter which part is better between NA and EU. It goes from NA clips and some graphics to EU clips and graphics but most importantly, memes.

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1. No, he isn't.  Three is a number of games that Liquid can win.

 

2. LG beats Splyce.  Splyce is 5-2.  NV beats Str8.  NV is 4-3.  Is this a tie?  No.  There isn't any way for that three-way tie to happen.

 

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Edit: this was meant to quote @@TiberiusAudley

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^ champ bracket at dreamhack is 14 or 16 teams. They haven't said yet. 6 pro league, 4 eu, and 4 (or 6) from open.

 

 

Either way, having g a lower seed may give you an easier first Rd vs an EU team instead of an open NA team. (Assuming they give EU teams preferential seeds)

 

 

All this info is in the rulebook (TL;DR - 12 teams in the Championship tournament, not 14 or 16, and if you believe that top open NA teams are better than the top two EUPL teams then having a lower NAPL seed puts you at an overall disadvantage):

 

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It's 12 teams: top six from NAPL, top two from EUPL, top four from the Dreamhack Atlanta Open Bracket (with the bottom two NAPL finishers placed in Winners Semis of the OB).

 

When referring to "lower seed" I'm not sure if you meant a lower seed from the NAPL regular season or from the OB (the teams that play the EU teams in CBWR1), but finishing 5th/6th in NAPL means you play an open bracket team in CBWR1 while finishing 7th/8th means you have to win one match in the Open tournament to qualify for the Championship tournament and play either a EUPL team or a 5th/6th NAPL team (depending on the final OB placings). This means that, if we take the assertion that open bracket teams are tougher opponents than either of the top two EUPL teams, you're correct in saying that having a lower seed could result in having "an easier first Rd vs an EU team instead of an open NA team" having that 7th/8th seed means you have to face tougher opponents to even get a chance to play that EU team in CBWR1.

 

Finishing outside Top 4 puts you at a disadvantage for not being seeded straight into CBWR2 and finishing outside Top 6 means you have to play to get in and risk being relegated. There is no advantage to having a lower seed.

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All this info is in the rulebook (TL;DR - 12 teams in the Championship tournament, not 14 or 16, and if you believe that top open NA teams are better than the top two EUPL teams then having a lower NAPL seed puts you at an overall disadvantage):

rulebook is outdated tho

 

for instance, all 4 EU teams are getting placed in champ bracket now

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rulebook is outdated tho

 

for instance, all 4 EU teams are getting placed in champ bracket now

False. Rulebook is a living document, it cannot be outdated. :kappa:

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