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4 hours ago, Cursed Lemon said:

It's probably the same correlation as Republicans who are poor as shit voting for Republican policies that keep them poor as shit.

*billionaires screwing with the laws to make average americans poorer*

"Well they earned it. They are the elite class. I love them."

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"I hate the government! But I love billionaires! What's that, billionaires run the government? No no, they're not the RIGHT billionaires."

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Omg Bernie put rape in his article he wrote, I better be a simpleton about this instead of actually using critical thinking skills to figure out what the point of the article was —irregardless if it landed or it didn’t.

He put it there, you see! That big R word! Man bad! *slams club on ground repeatedly* 

 

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Watching you try and defend Bernie must be what it's like for you to watch patriots defend the GOATus POTUS, Donald Trump.

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How did trump pay for the 80 billion military budget hike? Oh for war and military no one ever asks -- but if it's something that benefits the american people that's when going full r*tard is allowed to ask who's going to pay for it.

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Trump didn't raise taxes, he lowered them. Imagine being a small/medium size business owner and Bernie is elected...

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7 hours ago, akaWest said:

Trump didn't raise taxes, he lowered them. Imagine being a small/medium size business owner and Bernie is elected...

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Who paid for the 1.5T tax break which 83% of it went to the 1%...

Socialism is only ok if the rich benefit the most!

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so it begins. Establishment going to do literally everything to not get Bernie elected. Amy klobuchar and warren? Huh?

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11 hours ago, akaWest said:

Trump didn't raise taxes, he lowered them. Imagine being a small/medium size business owner and Bernie is elected...

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If that chart is accurate (not sure the source on this), that's another 20k / year I'll be shelling out to the .gov for shit I'll never even use.

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5 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

Who paid for the 1.5T tax break which 83% of it went to the 1%...

Nobody is paying for it, the government is simply taking 1.5T less from taxpayers. 

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40 minutes ago, akaWest said:

Nobody is paying for it, the government is simply taking 1.5T less from taxpayers. 

I really don't think you understand how this works. Also, please explain to me who's going to pay for all these wars, all these hikes on military spending. Seems like only ass-devistation happens when American people actually want things that matter and would benefit everyone greatly.

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18 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

How did trump pay for the 80 billion military budget hike? Oh for war and military no one ever asks -- but if it's something that benefits the american people that's when going full r*tard is allowed to ask who's going to pay for it.

80 billion is couch coins compared to the 60-97 trillion bern dawg is proposing.  Obviously there's a slight difference here.  Shit, we've spent 6 trillion in the M.E. since 2001 (I agree its a waste but still peanuts in comparison).   There's really nothing relatable in modern day politics to what Bernie wants to spend, so obviously people are going to ask the question "how do you intend to pay for it".

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49 minutes ago, Cypress said:

80 billion is couch coins compared to the 60-97 trillion bern dawg is proposing.  Obviously there's a slight difference here.  Shit, we've spent 6 trillion in the M.E. since 2001 (I agree its a waste but still peanuts in comparison).   There's really nothing relatable in modern day politics to what Bernie wants to spend, so obviously people are going to ask the question "how do you intend to pay for it".

the UK, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, etc.are doing just fine. You dumbfucks pretend that with these higher taxes your current shit fucking premium you're currently paying wouldn't disappear. You're literally complaining about cutting out the middleman and saving money.

Out of pocket, copayments, gone.

So do the math, sure this healthcare would cost x trillion. MINUS the trillions you'd be saving paying your premium. The net gain is saving money end of story, cutting out the middleman, not paying absurd copayments, and fighting the insurance company tooth and nail to get shit covered.

The same goes with schooling. Whats better, getting taxed and it's worry free essentially just like your preschool-senior year of highschool days or taking out a loan for hundreds of thousands of dollars at 6-10% that you'll be paying for years on end?

You can still go to a private school if you want and pay out of the ass, it is your choice. But education and your health shouldn't be put on the auction block for everyone to profit off of.

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I pay $1200 / year for healthcare.  So under Bernie, I'd be paying $18,500 for $1,200 worth of coverage when you factor in my new tax bracket right?

Why would I vote for that?

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1 minute ago, Cypress said:

I pay $1200 / year for healthcare.  So under Bernie, I'd be paying $18,500 for $1,200 worth of coverage when you factor in my new tax bracket right?

Why would I vote for that?

Do you get insurance from your work? 

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1 minute ago, legendaryshotz said:

Do you get insurance from your work? 

yeah... employer provided.

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10 minutes ago, Cypress said:

yeah... employer provided.

You dont think your employer is currently screwing you on some pay to make that possible, right? Copayment? Deductible? Out of Pocket Max? Is it an HMO or PPO?

All those matter. What you pay currently in your premium doesn't really mean anything.

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You just called him a dumbfuck for not thinking his premium would disappear. But now the premium doesnt mean anything? Bernie math is confusing.

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25 minutes ago, GeneralBeatDown said:

You just called him a dumbfuck for not thinking his premium would disappear. But now the premium doesnt mean anything? Bernie math is confusing.

Yes, because I can pay 50 bucks a month for health insurance and complain about these taxes. However, what difference does that make if the deductible and out of pocket is astronomical? You really want to hedge your bets on your own health? You can be a gigantic jackass now about it until someday (hopefully not) you go to the hospital and get put through the ringer of medical debt. The number one reason in bankruptcy, btw, to own the libs. 

I said premiums, deductibles, out of pocket maximums, would all disappear. There would be no more games played to milk every penny out of you in the event that you would get sick. People really don't know how fucked you get until you actually visit a hospital, or get sick. So many things get seperatelly billed, some things the insurance doesn't cover, even when they do they purposefully make it insanely difficult because in their eyes a certain percentage of people won't fight it, which means they profit harder, etc.

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1 hour ago, legendaryshotz said:

You dont think your employer is currently screwing you on some pay to make that possible, right? Copayment? Deductible? Out of Pocket Max? Is it an HMO or PPO?

All those matter. What you pay currently in your premium doesn't really mean anything.

Overhead costs, such as healthcare, are integrated into my firms design fees, so no my employer is not screwing me over.   
 

my max out of pocket / deductible is I think around $5,500 per year.   Ive met that once in the past 13 years for an ACL surgery.   my co-pay for primary care is $35 and for a specialist, it’s $35. 
 

It’s easy to be a bernie supporter when you’re not the one getting buttfucked financially.  

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1 hour ago, Cypress said:

Overhead costs, such as healthcare, are integrated into my firms design fees, so no my employer is not screwing me over.   
 

my max out of pocket / deductible is I think around $5,500 per year.   Ive met that once in the past 13 years for an ACL surgery.   my co-pay for primary care is $35 and for a specialist, it’s $35. 
 

It’s easy to be a bernie supporter when you’re not the one getting buttfucked financially.  

That's a high deductable. Again, luckily for you...you didn't need to meet that deductable yearly. However, for someone with diabetes or any myraid of health issues, that would become expensive quick.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/11/universal-healthcare-could-save-america-trillions-whats-holding-us-back

But here’s the funny thing: though these two analyses came from economists from opposite ends of the political spectrum, they shared a similar finding: single-payer would reduce our nation’s healthcare spending bill by trillions of dollars over a decade (around $2tn and $5tn, respectively).

Saving money. Psh. I don't want big gooberment.

 

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