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19 minutes ago, Ramirez77 said:

Oh look it's this bullshit again.  Lmao at Shapiro approvingly nodding along like yeah HeS OnE dA GoOd OnEs.

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It's like...do I even bother expending the energy trying to explain why this is all disingenuous bullshit?  Christ this shit is exhausting.  It's the same blatantly disingenuous nonsense I've heard a million times before that people SHOULD be able to recognize as disingenuous if they pulled their heads out of their asses for a single fucking moment and actually exercised critical thought.

"Yew dunt allow people to disagree".  Okay yeah this is a good starting point.  First, it's not like we're fucking disagreeing on mundane shit like what our favorite rock band is.  We're disagreeing on the fundamental issue of human rights.  Of fucking course I "don't allow" people to disagree, of fucking course I have something to say in protest about it.  And you know lets delve into how I apparently "don't allow" them to anyways.  By stating my own contrary opinion?  By insulting their intelligence?  By using the political and monetary avenues available to me to oppose it (voting, boycotting, etc).  Wow, how Orweillian (and don't even get me started on the irony of rightwingers calling things "Orweillian").  You know conservatives can ramble on about their political bullshit 24/7 on facebook or whatever but the exact moment I finally state my own it's a problem and I'm "triggered" and I'm "making everything about politics and being unbearable".  I especially love the hypocritical LiBeRaLs hAve So MuCh HaTe iN tHeIr HeArTs constantly spouted by these people who do nothing but fucking sit on their ass and bash liberals all day in their little circlejerk echochambers or watch videos of people bashing liberals all day.  You people have absolutely no fucking self-awareness of how unbearable you yourselves are.  Can I quickly point out how conservatives do the exact same thing as well?  Hat in Time adds a transgender flag as a hidden easter egg...everyone loses their fucking minds and demands the developers remove it or offer refunds.  Ion Fury has an insensitive sprite...they remove it after complaints from SJW's and threats to boycott.  Then all the rightwingers come out of the woodwork, bitch about "censorship" (as if voluntary actions and admissions of guilt are censorship), then completely inundate the forums with constant bitching and threads of **they themselves wanting refunds / boycotts** to the point I can't find a single thread about the actual fucking game...all the while having no self awareness of the blatant hypocrisy here by people who claim to only care about the game and not want politics in their games.  Yeah if that's not "unbearable" I don't know what is.  "Hey guys we hate outrage culture...but we're going to also turn every little thing into a massive fucking issue and manufacture controversies where none actually exist just because one random blue haired idiot of no consequence made a stupid tweet #DooM'sWesternMasculinity".

"everyone's offended by everythin"  The classic calling card of the unlikeable asswipe who says intentionally trollish things then acts like he is automatically entitled to everyone's respect and admiration in spite of his shitty behavior.  Of course I'm "offended" when you are either 1)  Being an ass on purpose in which case you might as well bitch that water is wet or 2)  saying completely heinous things that any upstanding person SHOULD be offended by.  Since when is offense in itself inherently a bad thing?  Injustice is offensive. There are certain times when you SHOULD be offended by things, else something is seriously fucked in your head.

"nO one is allowed to say a joke".  Maybe because most of these "jokes" are anything but, rather "ironic" unfunny racist rhetoric thinly veiled as jokes that people start to actually believe when regurgitated enough times.  There's a clear line between light hearted jab poking (Boondocks) and just straight up repugnant shit disguised as humor (Billy the Heretic).  Humor that might criticize and satirize but still presents the target as an actual group of people, and shit that is just completely vicious and does not display the target with any redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But because I don't think the latter should be allowed any kind of platform I'm just a humor-Nazi who never laughs at anything.  "The only positive I personally see in a proletarian revolution is having a target rich environment close to home. " Oh look a call to violence totally not fascistic at all ha ha funny "joke" my dude.  Liberals aren't people haha ebic gamer moment.

"Populism is rising becuz ppl are fed up with da mean ol libruls".  God I hear this all the time and it's just...how the fuck can anyone actually buy into this?  You're blaming overzealous anti-racists for people adopting racism, anti-intellectualism, idiotic blind nationalism, etc?  The fault lies entirely with the people themselves.  The party that bitches constantly about self-accountability has absolutely no self-accountability and refuses to take responsibility for anything or even so much acknowledge the cancerous bullshit in their own movement ("All three racists in the republican party" - TheDouche).  Like if PC culture is enough to "push you rightwing" you never had any serious leftwing convictions to begin with.  And while we're here can I really point out the hilarity in the hypocrisy of this oft-parroted rhetoric?  People claim liberals think with emotion yet turn around and say DIS IS WHAI TRUMP WILL WIN 2020 whenever a liberal says something mean.  Where exactly is the logic in this?

And now I could go into the million and one reasons why I think all the redneck theocratic republican idiots I live around are "unbearable"...but nah not worth any more of my time.  I'm not sure why I even typed this, just gonna be met with "wow tbh tbf ngl pretty gay virgin of you fam"

Not gonna lie, thats pretty gay virgin of you fam

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1 hour ago, Cursed Lemon said:

And yet when someone tries to do something about most of that, they're the multitude of insults you use on someone like Bernie. 

So is extreme wealth disparity and a propensity for the rich to destroy everything around them a defect, or is it a feature? 

There’s a lot to say on this point. But generally, someone can agree on a diagnosis but not on the policy prescribtions. 

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And yet I haven't heard a peep out of you regarding the dismantling of net neutrality, the gutting of the EPA, etc. 

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12 minutes ago, Cursed Lemon said:

And yet I haven't heard a peep out of you regarding the dismantling of net neutrality, the gutting of the EPA, etc. 

The EPA makes me take every empty bottle of warfarin and Phentermine and bag THEN box them and document the when how where etc.  We are not allowed to throw them in the trash. Why only those drugs? Why empty bottles? I get that the EPA is needed but I don't see how an empty bottle of warfarin is killing the environment.  

 

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32 minutes ago, pharmassists said:

The EPA makes me take every empty bottle of warfarin and Phentermine and bag THEN box them and document the when how where etc.  We are not allowed to throw them in the trash. Why only those drugs? Why empty bottles? I get that the EPA is needed but I don't see how an empty bottle of warfarin is killing the environment.  

 

The EPA or the FDA? 

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2 hours ago, Ramirez77 said:

Oh look it's this bullshit again.  Lmao at Shapiro approvingly nodding along like yeah HeS OnE dA GoOd OnEs.

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It's like...do I even bother expending the energy trying to explain why this is all disingenuous bullshit?  Christ this shit is exhausting.  It's the same blatantly disingenuous nonsense I've heard a million times before that people SHOULD be able to recognize as disingenuous if they pulled their heads out of their asses for a single fucking moment and actually exercised critical thought.

"Yew dunt allow people to disagree".  Okay yeah this is a good starting point.  First, it's not like we're fucking disagreeing on mundane shit like what our favorite rock band is.  We're disagreeing on the fundamental issue of human rights.  Of fucking course I "don't allow" people to disagree, of fucking course I have something to say in protest about it.  And you know lets delve into how I apparently "don't allow" them to anyways.  By stating my own contrary opinion?  By insulting their intelligence?  By using the political and monetary avenues available to me to oppose it (voting, boycotting, etc).  Wow, how Orweillian (and don't even get me started on the irony of rightwingers calling things "Orweillian").  You know conservatives can ramble on about their political bullshit 24/7 on facebook or whatever but the exact moment I finally state my own it's a problem and I'm "triggered" and I'm "making everything about politics and being unbearable".  I especially love the hypocritical LiBeRaLs hAve So MuCh HaTe iN tHeIr HeArTs constantly spouted by these people who do nothing but fucking sit on their ass and bash liberals all day in their little circlejerk echochambers or watch videos of people bashing liberals all day.  You people have absolutely no fucking self-awareness of how unbearable you yourselves are.  Can I quickly point out how conservatives do the exact same thing as well?  Hat in Time adds a transgender flag as a hidden easter egg...everyone loses their fucking minds and demands the developers remove it or offer refunds.  Ion Fury has an insensitive sprite...they remove it after complaints from SJW's and threats to boycott.  Then all the rightwingers come out of the woodwork, bitch about "censorship" (as if voluntary actions and admissions of guilt are censorship), then completely inundate the forums with constant bitching and threads of **they themselves wanting refunds / boycotts** to the point I can't find a single thread about the actual fucking game...all the while having no self awareness of the blatant hypocrisy here by people who claim to only care about the game and not want politics in their games.  Yeah if that's not "unbearable" I don't know what is.  "Hey guys we hate outrage culture...but we're going to also turn every little thing into a massive fucking issue and manufacture controversies where none actually exist just because one random blue haired idiot of no consequence made a stupid tweet #DooM'sWesternMasculinity".

"everyone's offended by everythin"  The classic calling card of the unlikeable asswipe who says intentionally trollish things then acts like he is automatically entitled to everyone's respect and admiration in spite of his shitty behavior.  Of course I'm "offended" when you are either 1)  Being an ass on purpose in which case you might as well bitch that water is wet or 2)  saying completely heinous things that any upstanding person SHOULD be offended by.  Since when is offense in itself inherently a bad thing?  Injustice is offensive. There are certain times when you SHOULD be offended by things, else something is seriously fucked in your head.

"nO one is allowed to say a joke".  Maybe because most of these "jokes" are anything but, rather "ironic" unfunny racist rhetoric thinly veiled as jokes that people start to actually believe when regurgitated enough times.  There's a clear line between light hearted jab poking (Boondocks) and just straight up repugnant shit disguised as humor (Billy the Heretic).  Humor that might criticize and satirize but still presents the target as an actual group of people, and shit that is just completely vicious and does not display the target with any redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But because I don't think the latter should be allowed any kind of platform I'm just a humor-Nazi who never laughs at anything.  "The only positive I personally see in a proletarian revolution is having a target rich environment close to home. " Oh look a call to violence totally not fascistic at all ha ha funny "joke" my dude.  Liberals aren't people haha ebic gamer moment.

"Populism is rising becuz ppl are fed up with da mean ol libruls".  God I hear this all the time and it's just...how the fuck can anyone actually buy into this?  You're blaming overzealous anti-racists for people adopting racism, anti-intellectualism, idiotic blind nationalism, and racial identitarianism, etc?  The fault lies entirely with the people themselves.  The party that bitches constantly about self-accountability has absolutely no self-accountability and refuses to take responsibility for anything or even so much acknowledge the cancerous bullshit in their own movement ("All three racists in the republican party" - TheDouche).  Like if PC culture is enough to "push you rightwing" you never had any serious leftwing convictions to begin with.  And while we're here can I really point out the hilarity in the hypocrisy of this oft-parroted rhetoric?  People claim liberals think with emotion yet turn around and say DIS IS WHAI TRUMP WILL WIN 2020 whenever a liberal says something mean.  Where exactly is the logic in this?

And now I could go into the million and one reasons why I think all the redneck theocratic republican idiots I live around are "unbearable"...but nah not worth any more of my time.  I'm not sure why I even typed this, just gonna be met with "wow tbh tbf ngl pretty gay virgin of you fam"

https://livehealthonline.com/psychiatry/

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1 hour ago, Cursed Lemon said:

The EPA or the FDA? 

From what I understand from the person in charge of it ( mind you I work for a corporation and don't take the time to research the laws, I just do what I'm told) it's the EPA. The FDA is more concerned with the safety of drugs to the patient. I actually took the time to research and it looks like Phentermine is no longer on the FDAs list. https://www.epa.gov/hwgenerators/management-hazardous-waste-pharmaceuticals

Maybe they should fire the person who sends those emails telling us what to do.

Point being I'm all for the EPA stopping pollution. The environment is something I'm very left leaning on. But empty bottles being bagged, boxed and labeled is a little extreme.

The government can have the right motivations but then you experience their regulations and have to ask yourself how they can be so fucking stupid. 

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FDR was not a socialist. He was a social democrat that caved to the demands of the revolutionary proletariat of the time.

 

The only way people can stop predatory capitalism is when there are enough people who make the choice that they have had enough of it.

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3 hours ago, TheDood said:

There’s a lot to say on this point. But generally, someone can agree on a diagnosis but not on the policy prescribtions. 

If you agree with the diagnosis you're basically admitting you're a Marxist.

 

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11 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

The goal of democratic socialism is not communism. No one thinks FDR was trying to establish communism by passing social security and the new deal. You’re blatantly wrong there. The goal of democratic socialism is that capitalism still exists, it’s still perfectly fine in most regards,  but certain things such as ones health and education are off limits, and people should be paid much closer to their worth and not be exploited and treated like shit so that a couple people out of a population live exorbitantly to point of absolute redundancy while everyone else struggles, which is what you’re seeing now.

Businesses have been making record profits. Stock buybacks are a thing. CEO’s making 1000x an average employee when the rates back in the day were much closer in a CEO/average worker wage relationship. Even with all this success businesses still cut back jobs, exploit even harder, because they have to beat last years record profit this year! These are  indications that the economy is clearly rigged for a certain few I.e. crony capitalism and that’s what at its core democratic socialism fixes and has a bit more level and sustainable capitalistic system that works for everyone, not just strictly the omega elite while everyone else slaves away with no benefit from the system.

So to say Bernie’s views are incompatible with capitalism is a blatant lie, and more to par with fearmongering bullshit conservatives love to do when they say “Bernie is a SOCIALIST, stay away!”.

As for your American conservative paragraph, I agree with a lot of it. They believe in small government until it’s something they disagree with then they jack up government to magnitude 10 (see abortion, anything that puts freedom over Christianity, etc.). And I think there’s many that are just flat out racist, maybe some monetary but others just grew up with that nonsense. There’s a reason why the democrats are more diverse than they’ve ever been in congress (41% white male to 38%) meanwhile Republican Congress went from 86% to 90% recently. But not racist btw. Most qualified btw. In a fair and just system congress would look fairly similar to how the US population looks, give or take a margin of error.

And yes Joe Biden fucking sucks and is more conservative than Democrat. Wolf in sheep’s clothing. Warren is more copy pasting Bernie’s homework with a lite kick to it. Don’t think it 100% matters if at one point someone was registered Democrat/republican because I’ve personally seen people in my life change from one to another for one reason or another. Plus wasn’t trump a registered Democrat? Point proven. 

Also don’t sleep on my dude Andrew Yang. He should be on Bernie’s cabinet for sure.

 

Edit: One last side note, this is why exactly you're seeing some people in this thread watching Bernie and what he's saying and replying "You know what, he isn't bad" or "Actually he has great points on x, y, and z". There's finally been some breakthrough that Bernie isn't some socialist commie but rather would represent and serve the American people, as well as their best interests. 

Yes the goal of socialism is communism  (a stateless classless society) 

The view that a few tweaks to capitalism solves shit is a social democrat position. A liberal position. Because the socialists know if you don't kill off the cancer that is capitalism. It will grow back, brainwash your kids & alter the past, eventually rolling back those tweaks to capitalism. 

 

Andrew Yang for many reasons isn't a socialist. His UBI plan is the Milton Friedman monetarist/hyperlibertarian endgame. Destroy the welfare state, replace it with a feudal state where people live in some dystopia where citizens receive some dollars not pegged to inflation (so there isn't any guaranteed rights) where they are ruled by robots and their capitalist masters. And of course those masters control the past and the present.

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I don’t want a stateless classes society, and I definitely don’t want the revolutions needed to bring it about. 

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39 minutes ago, Niku said:

FDR was not a socialist. He was a social democrat that caved to the demands of the revolutionary proletariat of the time.

 

The only way people can stop predatory capitalism is when there are enough people who make the choice that they have had enough of it.

His policies suuuuuuuuuuuure are close to what Bernie's been trying to do recently.

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28 minutes ago, Niku said:

Yes the goal of socialism is communism  (a stateless classless society) 

The view that a few tweaks to capitalism solves shit is a social democrat position. A liberal position. Because the socialists know if you don't kill off the cancer that is capitalism. It will grow back, brainwash your kids & alter the past, eventually rolling back those tweaks to capitalism. 

 

Andrew Yang for many reasons isn't a socialist. His UBI plan is the Milton Friedman monetarist/hyperlibertarian endgame. Destroy the welfare state, replace it with a feudal state where people live in some dystopia where citizens receive some dollars not pegged to inflation (so there isn't any guaranteed rights) where they are ruled by robots and their capitalist masters. And of course those masters control the past and the present.

Well thank god bernie isn't a socialist. For fuck sake dude.

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Bernie is just the guy in 3rd place among the people who will lose to President Trump, sitting behind hands-on Joe and 1/1024th Warren.

 

No reason to even discuss his wrinkly old ass.

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2 hours ago, TheDood said:

Time to conquer Brazil and save them from themselves. 

 

America already did that.

They installed Bolsonaro in a soft coup.

That's how America exports fascism.

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Climate change is going to reduce the planets population capacity to 1 billion people.

 

If you don't vote for Bernie you are a genocidal maniac that needs to be stopped by force.

 

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1 hour ago, legendaryshotz said:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/the-green-new-deal/

Holy fucking shit. This would be amazing.

How does the GND prevent cattle ranchers in Amazonia from clearing land?

29 minutes ago, Niku said:

America already did that.

They installed Bolsonaro in a soft coup.

That's how America exports fascism.

Sounds interesting.  Source?

20 minutes ago, Niku said:

If you don't vote for Bernie you are a genocidal maniac that needs to be stopped by force.

 

Sure thing, Zedong.

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2 minutes ago, Cypress said:

How does the GND prevent cattle ranchers in Amazonia from clearing land?

Sounds interesting.  Source?

Sure thing, Zedong.

Can't source you until the relevant info is undocumented, and the stuff that is is obviously classified.

But it is common knowledge, Bolsonaro loyalists jailed Lula who would have won the election.

America funded a hybrid disinformation campaign.

 

And yes I will support the next Mao Zedong if he amasses a red army to save the planet from ecological collapse.

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6 minutes ago, Niku said:

Can't source you until the relevant info is undocumented.

Thought so. 

Just more of the same from you.  Anti-American rhetoric and bullshit propaganda.

 

 
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Just now, Cypress said:

Thought so. 

Just more of the same from you.  Anti-American rhetoric and bullshit propaganda.

 

The Pentagon has the level of resources unfathomable for a single human mind to comprehend and I'm the one doing the propaganda?

lel

 

We're all doomed aren't we?

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Also lol the CIA and America has invaded and toppled every single government in Latin America but I'm the one that needs to prove it?

 

Whatever lol

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The amazon is on fire because ranchers working for giant American agribusiness want more grazing land for cows to export more beef burgers to you fat American fucks

 

 

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