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6 hours ago, Niku said:

Republicans easily. Republicans have more money on average and billionaires need somewhere they can siphon their money through to not pay tax.

Aren't more Democrats billionaires?

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15 minutes ago, pharmassists said:

Charity is optional, taxes isn't.

So you would classify taxes as charity then?

Pretty sure food stamps and safety nets exist for the sole purpose of being charitable and understanding people go through some shit and you shouldn’t just be left out in the cold.

Either way you point is moot because it also says privately, clearly a distinction from governmental taxation, so I have no idea what you’re arguing here.

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34 minutes ago, legendaryshotz said:

Pretty sure food stamps and safety nets exist for the sole purpose of being charitable and understanding people go through some shit and you shouldn’t just be left out in the cold.

Either way you point is moot because it also says privately, clearly a distinction from governmental taxation, so I have no idea what you’re arguing here.

So you think taxation is charity.

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1 hour ago, pharmassists said:

So you think taxation is charity.

No, I didn’t say that. Clear distinction of taxation for food stamps and aid vs you know, for war. Governmental redistribution of wealth would fall under taxation for food stamps and aid. A vast majority of people think this is important, as is social security, hence why we have those programs in place. Think of it this way -- it's more of a group donation so if shit ever hits the fan you know you're taken care of. Inb4 hurr durr if I stop paying taxes goobement comes with gun because that charitable tax at least for food stamps and unenployment is absolute crumbs to what you’re actually stuffing the government for in terms of payment (roads, hospitals, their dumb wars, etc.). Just unfortunate all of this is lumped into one word "Taxation" and you’re actually going to scapegoat a very small portion of your tax pie on something that helps people immensely and maybe someday (hopefully not other than social security) you’ll use. Going to boogie man the word tax now...sigh.

Either way, you’re focusing on the stupid shit yet again vs ah yes, the “privatized redistribution” aspect. What could that possibly mean.

It says wonders that when Democrats are in power they focus more on helping people and Americans, you know, what fucking Americans pay for into they system to expect their money to be used back onto them. Vs giving heavy tax breaks to the rich, or causing dumbass wars for oil, etc etc.

Last point, I promise, every chariatable act is literally redistributing money, or goods, or services, from rich or well off or good enough to someone less fortunate than you. Goods and services both have monetary value attached.

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1 hour ago, legendaryshotz said:

No, I didn’t say that. Clear distinction of taxation for food stamps and aid vs you know, for war. Governmental redistribution of wealth would fall under taxation for food stamps and aid. A vast majority of people think this is important, as is social security, hence why we have those programs in place. Think of it this way -- it's more of a group donation so if shit ever hits the fan you know you're taken care of. Inb4 hurr durr if I stop paying taxes goobement comes with gun because that charitable tax at least for food stamps and unenployment is absolute crumbs to what you’re actually stuffing the government for in terms of payment (roads, hospitals, their dumb wars, etc.). Just unfortunate all of this is lumped into one word "Taxation" and you’re actually going to scapegoat a very small portion of your tax pie on something that helps people immensely and maybe someday (hopefully not other than social security) you’ll use. Going to boogie man the word tax now...sigh.

Either way, you’re focusing on the stupid shit yet again vs ah yes, the “privatized redistribution” aspect. What could that possibly mean.

It says wonders that when Democrats are in power they focus more on helping people and Americans, you know, what fucking Americans pay for into they system to expect their money to be used back onto them. Vs giving heavy tax breaks to the rich, or causing dumbass wars for oil, etc etc.

Last point, I promise, every chariatable act is literally redistributing money, or goods, or services, from rich or well off or good enough to someone less fortunate than you. Goods and services both have monetary value attached.

My personal belief is that philanthropy is independent of political ideology. I wouldn't necessarily say taxes used to help the poor is independent of charitable donations to the poor other than the choice. I just wanted to poke the bee hive because it's hilarious how partisan everything is.

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6 hours ago, pharmassists said:

Aren't more Democrats billionaires?

Most billionaires prefer Republicans for obvious reasons.

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Mifsud's lawyer just confirmed he's Western Intelligence, not Russian. 

For those who don't know what this means - it means our own intelligence posed as Russians in order to draw connections between the Trump Campaign and Russia. Those "connections" were then used to acquire FISA warrants in order to spy on Trump.

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Happy to announce that I’ll be voting for Trump in 2020 

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I listed to Bernie on Joe Rogans podcast and I gotta say he doesn’t seem like a bad guy, some of the stuff he says make a lot of sense.

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You guys can become democrats, it’s okay. I promise. Don’t need to keep saying “Bernie is smart, Bernie is a good guy, has good principles...BUT *insert excuse to distance myself from the libtards*”.

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5 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

You guys can become democrats, it’s okay. I promise. Don’t need to keep saying “Bernie is smart, Bernie is a good guy, has good principles...BUT *insert excuse to distance myself from the libtards*”.

Bernie is not a liberal.

If you distanced yourself from Bernie you would actually be closer to the libtards because American conservatism is effectively liberalism but without the faux social justice shit.

Bernie is the only opposition candidate.

 

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This will turn you all into communists.

Guaranteed.

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1 hour ago, Niku said:

Bernie is not a liberal.

If you distanced yourself from Bernie you would actually be closer to the libtards because American conservatism is effectively liberalism but without the faux social justice shit.

Bernie is the only opposition candidate.

 

Huh, people who are called liberals in the states are most often associated with being on the left, which Bernie is. The literal definiton of liberal is open to new behavior or opinions and discarding traditional values. How does bernie not categorize into that again? As for liberalism...

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.

Bernie checks off a majority of those boxes, even capitalism, just because he disagrees and rightfully so that certain things should be off limits such as people's health to the capitalistic system, doesn't mean in fact that he doesn't support capitalism at all. So to say he's not liberal at all is flat out wrong. He may not be all they way there, but definitely has characteristics of it.

Also he checks many more of those boxes than "american conservatism", by a wide margin, so not sure what you're actually saying here. Also american conservatism is fucking no way liberalism without SJW nonsense LMFAO.

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Everywhere EXCEPT North America see the term 'liberal' as free market capitalism.

Capitalism with little bits of social safety nets is called a social democracy.

 

Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist. This is not liberalism. It is not capitalist. It is a rejection of capitalism for the proletariat to control the means of production.

The goal of socialism is communism. Democratic socialism is the pursuit of communism through liberal/bourgeois institutions.

I do not believe communism can be achieved through liberal institutions because those same institutions react to communism with a fascist response.

 

Socialists see wage labour and private property for the purpose of capital accumulation as morally abhorrent.

Bernie's views are incompatible with capitalism. 

 

 

Also American 'conservatives' all preach 'limited government' (this is just a lie, they love government for themselves) civil and human rights (unless it infringes on their property rights) 'individual rights' (for themselves) racial equality (unless it gets in the way of making $) gender equality (unless it gets in the way of power for men) 'internationalism' (unless it's actual international solidarity, instead of international terrorism) 'democracy' (unless its a result they don't like), secularism (unless it's not Christian) 'freedom of the press' (unless it voices dissent) freedom of religion (except for when they discriminate on the basis of religion)

 

All of this is shared by Liberals like Joe Biden, Liz Warren, and all those other faceless Democrats nobody gives a shit about because they're not a real opposition.

Elizabeth Warren was a registered Republican.

Joe Biden is more Republican than Trump.

 

Your average Democrat and Republican are like close cousins. 

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The goal of democratic socialism is not communism. No one thinks FDR was trying to establish communism by passing social security and the new deal. You’re blatantly wrong there. The goal of democratic socialism is that capitalism still exists, it’s still perfectly fine in most regards,  but certain things such as ones health and education are off limits, and people should be paid much closer to their worth and not be exploited and treated like shit so that a couple people out of a population live exorbitantly to point of absolute redundancy while everyone else struggles, which is what you’re seeing now.

Businesses have been making record profits. Stock buybacks are a thing. CEO’s making 1000x an average employee when the rates back in the day were much closer in a CEO/average worker wage relationship. Even with all this success businesses still cut back jobs, exploit even harder, because they have to beat last years record profit this year! These are  indications that the economy is clearly rigged for a certain few I.e. crony capitalism and that’s what at its core democratic socialism fixes and has a bit more level and sustainable capitalistic system that works for everyone, not just strictly the omega elite while everyone else slaves away with no benefit from the system.

So to say Bernie’s views are incompatible with capitalism is a blatant lie, and more to par with fearmongering bullshit conservatives love to do when they say “Bernie is a SOCIALIST, stay away!”.

As for your American conservative paragraph, I agree with a lot of it. They believe in small government until it’s something they disagree with then they jack up government to magnitude 10 (see abortion, anything that puts freedom over Christianity, etc.). And I think there’s many that are just flat out racist, maybe some monetary but others just grew up with that nonsense. There’s a reason why the democrats are more diverse than they’ve ever been in congress (41% white male to 38%) meanwhile Republican Congress went from 86% to 90% recently. But not racist btw. Most qualified btw. In a fair and just system congress would look fairly similar to how the US population looks, give or take a margin of error.

And yes Joe Biden fucking sucks and is more conservative than Democrat. Wolf in sheep’s clothing. Warren is more copy pasting Bernie’s homework with a lite kick to it. Don’t think it 100% matters if at one point someone was registered Democrat/republican because I’ve personally seen people in my life change from one to another for one reason or another. Plus wasn’t trump a registered Democrat? Point proven. 

Also don’t sleep on my dude Andrew Yang. He should be on Bernie’s cabinet for sure.

 

Edit: One last side note, this is why exactly you're seeing some people in this thread watching Bernie and what he's saying and replying "You know what, he isn't bad" or "Actually he has great points on x, y, and z". There's finally been some breakthrough that Bernie isn't some socialist commie but rather would represent and serve the American people, as well as their best interests. 

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Niku is sort of right and it reminds me why we should reject Bernie and all his socialist friends. 

 

Let me be the first to say ‘Bernie actually is THAT bad’.

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The only positive I personally see in a proletarian revolution is having a target rich environment close to home.

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Capitalism does a lot wrong. It often destroys environments and traditions to make a profit. Almost all mega corporations are anti-conservative and most big multinational companies seem to have no particular loyalty to the nation that produced them. Also consumerism has turned people into barbarians. Libertarians would sell all national sovereignty just to boost GDP by .0001% and get cheap plastic crap from china for walmarts. 

The conservative approach is to be a reluctant capitalist. Free markets are preferable because they allow people to associate freely and lets society organically interact. There should however, be a role for the state to protect some things from the market. The environment needs to be guarded, architecture and city design needs to be saved from the utilitarian impulses of companies. There may be a role for government in curtailing the raw power of information and technology companies. Many corporations like large scale migration and open borders because it brings down wages, and of course the state should prevent that. Things like hard drugs and sex work (prostitution) should not be left to the market since they are inherently coercive and unfree. 

There is more to a nation than GDP and there is more to a person than his bank account. 

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And yet when someone tries to do something about most of that, they're the multitude of insults you use on someone like Bernie. 

So is extreme wealth disparity and a propensity for the rich to destroy everything around them a defect, or is it a feature? 

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4 hours ago, gporter said:

thoughts?

Oh look it's this bullshit again.  Lmao at Shapiro approvingly nodding along like yeah HeS OnE dA GoOd OnEs.

 

It's like...do I even bother expending the energy trying to explain why this is all disingenuous bullshit?  Christ this shit is exhausting.  It's the same blatantly disingenuous nonsense I've heard a million times before that people SHOULD be able to recognize as disingenuous if they pulled their heads out of their asses for a single fucking moment and actually exercised critical thought.

"Yew dunt allow people to disagree".  Okay yeah this is a good starting point.  First, it's not like we're fucking disagreeing on mundane shit like what our favorite rock band is.  We're disagreeing on the fundamental issue of human rights.  Of fucking course I "don't allow" people to disagree, of fucking course I have something to say in protest about it.  And you know lets delve into how I apparently "don't allow" them to anyways.  By stating my own contrary opinion?  By insulting their intelligence?  By using the political and monetary avenues available to me to oppose it (voting, boycotting, etc).  Wow, how Orweillian (and don't even get me started on the irony of rightwingers calling things "Orweillian").  You know conservatives can ramble on about their political bullshit 24/7 on facebook or whatever but the exact moment I finally state my own it's a problem and I'm "triggered" and I'm "making everything about politics and being unbearable".  I especially love the hypocritical LiBeRaLs hAve So MuCh HaTe iN tHeIr HeArTs constantly spouted by these people who do nothing but fucking sit on their ass and bash liberals all day in their little circlejerk echochambers or watch videos of people bashing liberals all day.  You people have absolutely no fucking self-awareness of how unbearable you yourselves are.  Can I quickly point out how conservatives do the exact same thing as well?  Hat in Time adds a transgender flag as a hidden easter egg...everyone loses their fucking minds and demands the developers remove it or offer refunds.  Ion Fury has an insensitive sprite...they remove it after complaints from SJW's and threats to boycott.  Then all the rightwingers come out of the woodwork, bitch about "censorship" (as if voluntary actions and admissions of guilt are censorship), then completely inundate the forums with constant bitching and threads of **they themselves wanting refunds / boycotts** to the point I can't find a single thread about the actual fucking game...all the while having no self awareness of the blatant hypocrisy here by people who claim to only care about the game and not want politics in their games.  Yeah if that's not "unbearable" I don't know what is.  "Hey guys we hate outrage culture...but we're going to also turn every little thing into a massive fucking issue and manufacture controversies where none actually exist just because one random blue haired idiot of no consequence made a stupid tweet #DooM'sWesternMasculinity".

"everyone's offended by everythin"  The classic calling card of the unlikeable asswipe who says intentionally trollish things then acts like he is automatically entitled to everyone's respect and admiration in spite of his shitty behavior.  Of course I'm "offended" when you are either 1)  Being an ass on purpose in which case you might as well bitch that water is wet or 2)  saying completely heinous things that any upstanding person SHOULD be offended by.  Since when is offense in itself inherently a bad thing?  Injustice is offensive. There are certain times when you SHOULD be offended by things, else something is seriously fucked in your head.

"nO one is allowed to say a joke".  Maybe because most of these "jokes" are anything but, rather "ironic" unfunny racist rhetoric thinly veiled as jokes that people start to actually believe when regurgitated enough times.  There's a clear line between light hearted jab poking (Boondocks) and just straight up repugnant shit disguised as humor (Billy the Heretic).  Humor that might criticize and satirize but still presents the target as an actual group of people, and shit that is just completely vicious and does not display the target with any redeeming qualities whatsoever.  But because I don't think the latter should be allowed any kind of platform I'm just a humor-Nazi who never laughs at anything.  "The only positive I personally see in a proletarian revolution is having a target rich environment close to home. " Oh look a call to violence totally not fascistic at all ha ha funny "joke" my dude.  Liberals aren't people haha ebic gamer moment.

"Populism is rising becuz ppl are fed up with da mean ol libruls".  God I hear this all the time and it's just...how the fuck can anyone actually buy into this?  You're blaming overzealous anti-racists for people adopting racism, anti-intellectualism, idiotic blind nationalism, and racial identitarianism, etc?  The fault lies entirely with the people themselves.  The party that bitches constantly about self-accountability has absolutely no self-accountability and refuses to take responsibility for anything or even so much acknowledge the cancerous bullshit in their own movement ("All three racists in the republican party" - TheDouche).  Like if PC culture is enough to "push you rightwing" you never had any serious leftwing convictions to begin with.  And while we're here can I really point out the hilarity in the hypocrisy of this oft-parroted rhetoric?  People claim liberals think with emotion yet turn around and say DIS IS WHAI TRUMP WILL WIN 2020 whenever a liberal says something mean.  Where exactly is the logic in this?

And now I could go into the million and one reasons why I think all the redneck theocratic republican idiots I live around are "unbearable"...but nah not worth any more of my time.  I'm not sure why I even typed this, just gonna be met with "wow tbh tbf ngl pretty gay virgin of you fam"

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