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47 minutes ago, Niku said:

Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, East Germany, the Baltic states, the Balkans, most of Eastern Europe are all majority white and they're all shit holes.

The richest countries on earth are all cosmopolitan.

Poland is pretty good actually.

Besides, all those countries have one interesting thing in common - they were ruled for 50 years by an evil communist empire.

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Just now, TheDood said:

Poland is pretty good actually.

Besides, all those countries have one interesting thing in common - they were ruled for 50 years by an evil communist empire.

Communist empire is an oxymoron.

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Diversity is neither an inherently good thing nor an inherently bad thing. 

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1 minute ago, TheDood said:

Diversity is neither an inherently good thing nor an inherently bad thing. 

It's a net positive in terms of reproduction. The more diverse you and your partner are so will the genetics. Less likelyhood of recieving specific alleles that can cause defects as well a myriad of problems. Also much more likely of surviving better in other enviornments.

Not just specifically from a genetic level either...Isn't that what makes America so beautiful? The Melting pot? Experiencing other peoples cultures and food? 

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41 minutes ago, legendaryshotz said:

It's a net positive in terms of reproduction. The more diverse you and your partner are so will the genetics. Less likelyhood of recieving specific alleles that can cause defects as well a myriad of problems. Also much more likely of surviving better in other enviornments.

Not just specifically from a genetic level either...Isn't that what makes America so beautiful? The Melting pot? Experiencing other peoples cultures and food? 

I'm not a genetic scientist by any means so I don't know much about your first statement, but I will assume it is mostly true.

For your second idea, I would say yes! America is a great place, it is one of the very few countries in the world where there is not a clear ethnic component. You can not tell an American just by looking at him or her.

  Our culture has been enriched by different generations of immigrants. (Apple pies, aren't from America). Of course, there is much more to culture than just food, but it is an obvious example.

However, there is a danger in the fact that Americans are not one race, and that is, we are reliant on other sources to provide a bond.  We must be bound together by ideas, like English Common Law, the Constitution, Judeo-Christian morality, language, a love for America itself, and so on. If we lose those things, which we have in part, I believe you will see (and have seen in some areas) ethnic groups break off into enclaves and never assimilate, which would then hurt them and broader society at the same time. We must encourage assimilation if diversity is to be a strength. Without it, we can expect nothing but unrest and competing factions, or a permanent underclass that resents the others. Diversity would turn into disunity and our great country would be no more.

Assimilation is impossible if you import millions upon millions, in a short amount of time. Especially if at the disadvantage of the native-born population (real or perceived disadvantage).

All an all, it doesn't matter if a country is diverse or not, as long as it is virtuous. 

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Yeah we had such a problem with assimilation when Ellis island was a thing, and millions of immigrants came. Even if it was, 2nd generation kids in the United States are assimilated very easily through the school system. So not that big of an issue at all. There are also factors such as let’s say Mexican Americans who have been here for a long time and someone emigrated here from Mexico, they would help that person out since they understand the new struggle of moving to another country and the assimilation process is actually sped up through common ground. I’ve done it personally with some Polish immigrants to help them assimilate with the American culture. Also a little side note even if 3 million people immigrated here, it’s not even 1% of the population, and all of them wouldn’t settle in one area and the most likely outcome would be they would spread around the country to either family members or friends that would help them out, and if they don’t have that  they’d go to a place with already a established place with their ethnicity for help (such a Florida for Cubans or Italians in New York). I doubt your great disunity greatly all things considered.

Also I saw you sneak in judeo-Christian morality, fuck out of here with that nonsense :laughing:. No sky wizard is needed to establish that killing is bad, stealing is bad, so on and so fourth. 

Lastly thanks for trusting my genetic knowledge. Some people in here would make me go through a 5 hour crash course to make those factual claims instead of just either researching for themselves or going to school.

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8 hours ago, TheDood said:

I'm not a genetic scientist by any means so I don't know much about your first statement, but I will assume it is mostly true.

For your second idea, I would say yes! America is a great place, it is one of the very few countries in the world where there is not a clear ethnic component. You can not tell an American just by looking at him or her.

  Our culture has been enriched by different generations of immigrants. (Apple pies, aren't from America). Of course, there is much more to culture than just food, but it is an obvious example.

However, there is a danger in the fact that Americans are not one race, and that is, we are reliant on other sources to provide a bond.  We must be bound together by ideas, like English Common Law, the Constitution, Judeo-Christian morality, language, a love for America itself, and so on. If we lose those things, which we have in part, I believe you will see (and have seen in some areas) ethnic groups break off into enclaves and never assimilate, which would then hurt them and broader society at the same time. We must encourage assimilation if diversity is to be a strength. Without it, we can expect nothing but unrest and competing factions, or a permanent underclass that resents the others. Diversity would turn into disunity and our great country would be no more.

Assimilation is impossible if you import millions upon millions, in a short amount of time. Especially if at the disadvantage of the native-born population (real or perceived disadvantage).

All an all, it doesn't matter if a country is diverse or not, as long as it is virtuous. 

Almost no one disagrees with almost any of this. 

The problem is that racial rhetoric is being stirred up (and I mean like a fucking cement mixer) by Shitstain In Cheif and others like him purely for purposes of propaganda and fear mongering, not because immigration is a more pressing issue today than it ever was and certainly not accounting for any unfortunate added context to the geopolitical state of things today. You know, like the rich white assholes in the American government and the rich white assholes in the Russian government fighting a proxy war in the Middle East that displaced millions of brown people who grew up in just such a war-torn, theocratic shithole as to not be compatible with said "Judeo-Christian values" (even though largely they are), who probably don't even want to flee from their homes. Or, perhaps the coordinated efforts of said rich white assholes to destroy the manufacturing economy of America through offshoring and automation, drive down or stagnate wages and promote an unfulfilling service sector economy with little mobility and extreme bureaucracy, implicitly encourage cheap low-skilled laborers to come across the border and work for very little while the poor white people are still confused as to what the fuck is going on, then convince the poor white people that the brown people are rapists and gang members that are ruining society while also planting the idea that the concept of welfare is a ploy by minorities to rip off white people. 

Different demographics aren't ruining America. Class warfare is. Race baiting by conservatives is some fucking psy-ops shit that is working out very well for them. 

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9 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

Lastly thanks for trusting my genetic knowledge. 

Lmao

Yeah, its very enlightening to learn that inbreeding / linebreeding is bad.  Tank u Mr. Geneticz Schientieest.

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11 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

It's a net positive in terms of reproduction. The more diverse you and your partner are so will the genetics. Less likelyhood of recieving specific alleles that can cause defects as well a myriad of problems. Also much more likely of surviving better in other enviornments.

Not just specifically from a genetic level either...Isn't that what makes America so beautiful? The Melting pot? Experiencing other peoples cultures and food? 

I don't think your opening statements tell the whole story. You're gonna flip your lid but this is the science:

 

Third Cousins Have Greatest Number Of Offspring, Data From Iceland Shows

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207140855.htm

 

When Incest Is Best: Kissing Cousins Have More Kin

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-incest-is-best-kissi/

 

“Women prefer the smell of moderately related over unrelated men. And in a study of 160 years of data concerning every couple in Iceland (which is a mecca for human geneticists, given its genetic and socioeconomic homogeneity), the highest reproductive success arose from third- and fourth-cousin marriages.” 
― Robert M. Sapolsky

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/51808259-behave-the-biology-of-humans-at-our-best-and-worst?page=6

 

So, it would appear that having children with your third cousin is a strong approach to preserving your genetic line and your biology is wired to this in some capacity given the response to the smell test. That first article had an interesting bit mentioning the drawback of deleterious mutations if your partner is very closely related, but immunological benefits quickly arise within no more than a few steps away from that.

I'm sure there are a slew of papers on the genetic benefits of partner diversity, but I wanted to throw this counterpoint at you to see what you think. I only remembered it because I listened to a lot of Sapolsky back in the day, he's a brilliant neuroscientist and I forgive him for being such a hippie.

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1 hour ago, Cypress said:

Lmao

Yeah, its very enlightening to learn that inbreeding / linebreeding is bad.  Tank u Mr. Geneticz Schientieest.

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Yawn. Do you ever post anything of value? You're a 1 trick pony my dude. Try to dumb down anything I say, followed by a poor mans boogie2988's francis impersonation and lastly to top it off, a stupid picture. Rinse and repeat.

 

43 minutes ago, RVG E Nomini said:

I don't think your opening statements tell the whole story. You're gonna flip your lid but this is the science:

 

Third Cousins Have Greatest Number Of Offspring, Data From Iceland Shows

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207140855.htm

 

When Incest Is Best: Kissing Cousins Have More Kin

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-incest-is-best-kissi/

 

“Women prefer the smell of moderately related over unrelated men. And in a study of 160 years of data concerning every couple in Iceland (which is a mecca for human geneticists, given its genetic and socioeconomic homogeneity), the highest reproductive success arose from third- and fourth-cousin marriages.” 
― Robert M. Sapolsky

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/51808259-behave-the-biology-of-humans-at-our-best-and-worst?page=6

 

So, it would appear that having children with your third cousin is the strongest approach to preserving your genetic line and your biology is wired to this in some capacity given the response to the smell test. That first article had an interesting bit mentioning the drawback of deleterious mutations if your partner is very closely related, but immunological benefits quickly arise within no more than a few steps away from that.

I'm sure there are a slew of papers on the genetic benefits of partner diversity, but I wanted to throw this counterpoint at you to see what you think. I only remembered it because I listened to a lot of Sapolsky back in the day, he's a brilliant neuroscientist and I forgive him for being such a hippie.

What does "preservation of your genetic line" mean? Your kids looking like you with similar features? Keeping recessive alleles such as blue eyes and whatnot?

Also, its a study in Iceland. If all you know your whole life is one way, odds are you'll continue to do it that way unless social pressures change or the enviornment changes. I don't think smell in a sense of natural body odor is a key factor in what women find attractive (Because lets be real most men stink like death unless you're one of the lucky few that don't have the sweat gene). It's not like America now where there's much less stigma of marrying someone that is a different race than you ( buffdaddy cover your eyes here), and interracial couples are at an all time high. Sure, currently in the US if you're white odds are you'll marry another white person due to many factors such as similar cultures, parents wanting it that way etc etc. however the more exposed you are to other cultures, "smells", looks, etc. the more the drive will be to branch out of your cultural norms. And also im not equvicating that if you marry into the same race that you're genetic risk is severely higher than if you were to marry someone out of your race, its a little difference. But it's still there and a positive in terms of genetic diversity and survival.

And yeah, I can fire in probably hundreds of articles that would refute those studies but currently at work. Especially the 2nd one. What the fuck.

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Most whites who marry outside their race are disgusting landwhales living in trailer parks. Their genes aren't worth preserving so it's no skin off my back. Also have fun saying goodbye to your potential racemixed kid if he or she should ever require a bone marrow transplant.

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9 minutes ago, Buffdaddy Jamal said:

Most whites who marry outside their race are disgusting landwhales living in trailer parks. Their genes aren't worth preserving so it's no skin off my back. Also have fun saying goodbye to your potential racemixed kid if he or she should ever require a bone marrow transplant.

"Are you sure you want to marry him? Think about the percent chance of ever finding a bone marrow donor for your kid if he ever gets cancer! goes from 60% to 30%!"

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15 hours ago, Niku said:

How do you know Bernie isn't a socialist?

Most socialists don't say they are.

im going off of his current platform. he was more radical in the 80s however

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Remember that time Bernie did an AMA on Reddit and had the most downvoted comment on the entire site for the day?

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6 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

What does "preservation of your genetic line" mean? Your kids looking like you with similar features? Keeping recessive alleles such as blue eyes and whatnot?

Also, its a study in Iceland. If all you know your whole life is one way, odds are you'll continue to do it that way unless social pressures change or the enviornment changes. I don't think smell in a sense of natural body odor is a key factor in what women find attractive (Because lets be real most men stink like death unless you're one of the lucky few that don't have the sweat gene). It's not like America now where there's much less stigma of marrying someone that is a different race than you ( buffdaddy cover your eyes here), and interracial couples are at an all time high. Sure, currently in the US if you're white odds are you'll marry another white person due to many factors such as similar cultures, parents wanting it that way etc etc. however the more exposed you are to other cultures, "smells", looks, etc. the more the drive will be to branch out of your cultural norms. And also im not equvicating that if you marry into the same race that you're genetic risk is severely higher than if you were to marry someone out of your race, its a little difference. But it's still there and a positive in terms of genetic diversity and survival.

And yeah, I can fire in probably hundreds of articles that would refute those studies but currently at work. Especially the 2nd one. What the fuck.

I'm not trying to say the iceland study is the end all be all and could even be outdated (you mentioned you have refutations). I just wanted to present an opposing view. Human biology is a difficult subject to reach conclusions on, imo. On one hand things like the iceland study and the smell test make sense in the context of our evolutionary history (tens and even hundreds of thousands of years ago) where we lived in small communities that stayed fairly isolated from others, while on the other, there is a clear impulse in primates (mostly males) to nomad their way into new communities in their early teens and attempt assimilation. There are a lot of things going on but I tend to agree with your position. It's pretty obvious to me that people from other groups (especially if they have a cool accent) are elevated socially. Chicks just dig foreign accents man, seen it firsthand a thousand times. As far as interracial marriage, I don't have much of an opinion because people should just follow their personal preferences and tastes while obeying the rules of random chance in who they come across during their life. The severe genetic risk of having children with someone of the same race sounds interesting, but I don't know enough about it. I would imagine it's heavily dependent on the genetics of the individual you have kids with because they could be a different race and there could still be big problems. Seems like it would be hard to do anything that isn't an epidemiological study for that which only establish correlation, not causation.

On the smell thing real quick, yeah in humans it isn't nearly as big a factor as in other species, but it's worth mentioning that during pregnancy in humans, the mother's olfactory bulb still renovates to prepare imprinting the proteins of her offspring, hence why pregnant women tend to have atypical preferences in food. Their sense of taste and smell is literally being restructured. Crazy stuff.

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Were they just offering FISA bait to whoever was working with Trump?7tz6.png

 

 

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Man I just love how Shapiro is squirming as much as possible to try to justify this. It’s amazing. Mr facts over feelings.

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11 hours ago, legendaryshotz said:

Man I just love how Shapiro is squirming as much as possible to try to justify this. It’s amazing. Mr facts over feelings man.

Whats the problem here? 

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1 hour ago, TheDood said:

Whats the problem here? 

The guy on the right is being blatantly ignorant. 

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3 hours ago, TheDood said:

Whats the problem here? 

Religion. The stupidity of it all. Imagine being friends with someone and saying something like this to them, right in front of them, on their own show. Ben was legit strugging for a reason not to go to his anniversary party when being pressed. I throughly enjoyed it. He knew it was illogical as hell to think that way but then said muh religion and muh intermarriage as if excusing his own ignorance with more ignorance cancels them out LMAO.

Also dave rubin being so fucking spineless. Amazing that he swallowed his pride because if he didn't daddy koch bro would cut his moneyline.

Edit: (Also, saying not to label it a party but a BBQ. L M F A O. As if that would trick a hypothethical god that you're not celebrating "sin". This clip is just so perfect)

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2 hours ago, Scalzo said:

The guy on the right is being blatantly ignorant. 

Oh? In what way? Give me a tldw

31 minutes ago, legendaryshotz said:

Religion. The stupidity of it all. Imagine being friends with someone and saying something like this to them, right in front of them, on their own show. Ben was legit strugging for a reason not to go to his anniversary party when being pressed. I throughly enjoyed it. He knew it was illogical as hell to think that way but then said muh religion and muh intermarriage as if excusing his own ignorance with more ignorance cancels them out LMAO.

Also dave rubin being so fucking spineless. Amazing that he swallowed his pride because if he didn't daddy koch bro would cut his moneyline.

Edit: (Also, saying not to label it a party but a BBQ. L M F A O. As if that would trick a hypothethical god that you're not celebrating "sin". This clip is just so perfect)

Was he supposed to lie about how he felt? Doesn't seem very friendly. Are you only friends with people that you agree with 100%? 

Dave wasn't spinless, he was tolerant. He believes that he can live his life, and doesn't need the approval of every person in the world, over every aspect of his life. Seems pretty mature. 

It's not about fooling God, it's clarifying. It's not like Ben won't associate with gay people, he just won't celebrate their marriage because he, like every religious Jew for the last 5 thousand years, believes homosexual acts are sinful. 

I can't believe that in 2019, there are horrible homophobes like Ben Shapiro, who *checks notes* goes on the show of a gay man and has honest, meaningful discussions, with him, and treats him with the utmost respect. 

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Watching Legends talk about religion is like watching a boomer complain about esports. 

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