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8 hours ago, pharmassists said:

I can agree that the US should not intervene on a nation's sovereignty, economically or psychologically. It's just evil.

But socialism and communism is still stupid. If hard work doesn't pay off nobody will work hard except at the barrel of a gun. 

With capitalism you have big oppressive corporations and with socialism big oppressive governments. So both sides are afraid of big things as they should be. There isn't anything virtuous in something that massive, because it will do whatever it takes to keep power.

The "everything according to the need and not ability" tenet of communism fails because it's naive to think everyone works to their ability. People need motivation. I wouldn't take my wife 200 miles to see a Duke basketball game if I wasn't getting the sax.

70% of Venezuela's economy is owned by the private sector, and billionaires run rampant. But of course it's sOcIaLiSM?

 Do you know the actual definition of socialism? Just curious.

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9 hours ago, pharmassists said:

I agree embargos are bad. Obama was correct to end the embargo with Cuba. They only hurt the citizens. However a stable economy shouldn't depend on the success of one export. That's all your eggs in one basket. 

Venezuela had 20 years to diversify their economy and protect their industries when Chavez was elected and the Americans went out of their way to destroy them by any means necessary.  My one critique of Venezuela is that they didn't defend themselves good enough.

Venezuela, like Cuba has gone through 500 years of colonial slavery. It is very difficult to 180 the economy from a resource conduit set up by the IMF and World Bank to a sovereign nation.  

The US puppet that claimed presidency vows to privatize the oil as soon as possible and take a loan through the IMF from globalist bankers. Venezuela was never socialist, rather socialism was the moral vehicle for the Venezuelan people to claim their sovereignty in a bitter struggle that has lasted 500 years. 

This is why the soldiers will not defect. They see the coup for what it is and will defend the nation as patriots should.

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1 hour ago, Niku said:

Venezuela had 20 years to diversify their economy and protect their industries when Chavez was elected and the Americans went out of their way to destroy them by any means necessary.  My one critique of Venezuela is that they didn't defend themselves good enough.

Venezuela, like Cuba has gone through 500 years of colonial slavery. It is very difficult to 180 the economy from a resource conduit set up by the IMF and World Bank to a sovereign nation.  

The US puppet that claimed presidency vows to privatize the oil as soon as possible and take a loan through the IMF from globalist bankers. Venezuela was never socialist, rather socialism was the moral vehicle for the Venezuelan people to claim their sovereignty in a bitter struggle that has lasted 500 years. 

This is why the soldiers will not defect. They see the coup for what it is and will defend the nation as patriots should.

The oil being nationalized is what fucked it up into the first place you dolt. Everything the government controls in that country is ran into the ground. 

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Can anyone name a single Government program that is ran successfully from a business perspective?

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17 minutes ago, pharmassists said:

The oil being nationalized is what fucked it up into the first place you dolt. Everything the government controls in that country is ran into the ground. 

Because of the embargo and the freezing of transactions and assets from the people who stole the oil in the first place. Venezuelan oil does not belong to America. 

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11 minutes ago, Rick said:

Can anyone name a single Government program that is ran successfully from a business perspective?

The internet and your phone was government funded and privatized by big business who subsequently profited off of it. Now we have an Orwellian big tech hellhole. That's a pretty good success story.

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18 minutes ago, Niku said:

Because of the embargo and the freezing of transactions and assets from the people who stole the oil in the first place. Venezuelan oil does not belong to America. 

Why has production of oil decreased? Why make that your chief export? Surely with all the money and social programs other industries should prop up and thrive? Why can't they produce their own food? It couldn't be because the government seized all the farm lands and proceeded to fuck it up.

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25 minutes ago, Niku said:

Because of the embargo and the freezing of transactions and assets from the people who stole the oil in the first place. Venezuelan oil does not belong to America. 

Ray Charles can see the corrupt socialist regime. Why can’t you?  lol

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10 minutes ago, pharmassists said:

Why has production of oil decreased? Why make that your chief export? Surely with all the money and social programs other industries should prop up and thrive? Why can't they produce their own food? It couldn't be because the government seized all the farm lands and proceeded to fuck it up.

They can produce their own food and they still do. The food and things they aren't getting are being hoarded, burned and smuggled by numerous actors hostile to the government. Things that can be bought and sold by locals are available. Items sold by large corporate food chains are selectively hoarded to stress the public. And they are inconsistently selected by item. It is all artificial shortages.

90% of the economy depends on oil exports. I replied earlier that Venezuela has had zero time to diversify industry because it has been in the hands of the IMF since forever. Oil production has decreased by the chief recipient of Venezuelan oil is America who has effectively blocked the starving nation from access to US currency which is required for business to buy and trade things. Venezuela cannot access other western banks who have all frozen billions of dollars worth of assets. 

Sorry but the stories from the bloodthirsty mainstream media are lying and want the oil.  

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3 minutes ago, Cypress said:

Ray Charles can see the corrupt socialist regime. Why can’t you?  lol

The 'socialist regime' is no more corrupt or probably less corrupt than the American government. America actually has more corruption than Venezuela does.

You Americans are just projecting your vile fascist politics onto others. You're not worth discussing the facts to because you would have been the same blood thirsty tyrant who wanted to go into Iraq and Libya. 

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I also would like to add that the monarchists and Islamist regimes of OPEC have also coordinated in its attempts bring Venezuela to kneel to the corporate masters of America by flooding the oil market and disrupting Venezuelan balance of payments.   

 

All this talk about bring freedom(tm) and democracy to Venezuela while they partner with the savage Saudi 9/11 bombers and terrorists. 

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14 minutes ago, Niku said:

The 'socialist regime' is no more corrupt or probably less corrupt than the American government. America actually has more corruption than Venezuela does.

You Americans are just projecting your vile fascist politics onto others. You're not worth discussing the facts to because you would have been the same blood thirsty tyrant who wanted to go into Iraq and Libya. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Venezuela

https://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/venezuela/

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/venezuela-crisis

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1K2361

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/18/6-things-you-need-to-know-about-venezuelas-political-and-economic-crisis/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9a88e7b8451f

https://www.businessinsider.com/corruption-at-venezuelan-oil-company-is-worsening-the-economic-crisis-2018-4

 

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Fun drinking game: Everytime Niku speaks about the elusive billionaire,  corporate masters, blames something on America, or changes his own definitions of terms, take a shot. I hope you like alcohol poisoning. Bonus shot if he compares totally normal things with genocide while disparaging the experiences of those who have actually survived genocide under communist regimes. 

 

Speaking of which, the drinking age in America should be taken down to 18. 

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Just now, Cypress said:

All of those sources come from people who literally have a stake in stealing their oil. 'The mainstream media is corrupt' - says the MAGA chud who employs them every time they write something that furthers their own delusions.

You're a fuckin idiot.

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Just now, Niku said:

All of those sources come from people who literally have a stake in stealing their oil. 'The mainstream media is corrupt' - says the MAGA chud who employs them every time they write something that furthers their own delusions.

You're a fuckin idiot.

I miss when you pretended to be an intellectual of sorts, now you're just a left-wing conspiracy theorist. You're Alex Jones with billionaires instead of gay frogs. Get off  Reddit for a day,  drink some tea, go outside and try not to get eaten by an Emu. You'll feel better.

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When the media says WMD's, you support the invasion. And you bash anyone who goes against the narrative.

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1 minute ago, TheDood said:

I rest my case.

lol, you're going to be wrong, like the rest of you warmongers in America who follow the media like sheep.

You won't ever say sorry for it though. Because by the time word gets out that it was just another of 100s of CIA ops you will already be cheering for the next one. The cycle repeats. I hope Trump eats your babies.

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Actually only Libtards eat babies, everyone knows that.

get owned epic style

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Here is Rubio placing the Eliot Abrams the genocidal war criminal who has murdered thousands and toppled dozens of democratic governments in Latin America as special envoy. 

 

Here is the Nazi flat out admitting it's for the oil.

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