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1 hour ago, TheDood said:

I'm pretty sure Lindsey Graham and a few others said they would be down for that. Also, have the Democrats even offered that yet? The full $5.7 billion for a wall and daca trade is fair. But it would have to be the full $5.7 billion.

...Democrats offered twenty-something billion for the wall in exchange for DACA and Trump didn't do it. They also ended one of Trump's engineered shutdowns by NOT pressuring for DACA, so this "Democrats won't budge" bullshit is not only a lie, it's a morally repugnant lie. 

I'd ask if certain people around here have Alzheimer's, but I know it's just selective memory. 

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Does anyone else here like Publix chicken tender subs?

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29 minutes ago, gporter said:

Does anyone else here like Publix chicken tender subs?

I went years without trying it. Worst mistake of my life. They are fucking epic.

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2 hours ago, Cursed Lemon said:

...Democrats offered twenty-something billion for the wall in exchange for DACA and Trump didn't do it. They also ended one of Trump's engineered shutdowns by NOT pressuring for DACA, so this "Democrats won't budge" bullshit is not only a lie, it's a morally repugnant lie. 

I'd ask if certain people around here have Alzheimer's, but I know it's just selective memory. 

 They offered 20 billion just for DACA and nothing else during the shutdown? Right now I can tell they are spending a lot of time and effort to end this shutdown, sunbathing in Puerto Rico. Must be rough for them.

 

Everything from Publix is great, it's by far the best grocery store in the country and I miss it :'(.

Food in general is just better in the south, or perhaps states like Texas and Oklahoma. Any state where BBQ and Mexican food are both perfected is a great state to eat.

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8 hours ago, pharmassists said:

But they are not elected. They work independently of elected officials. They put the interest of big banks first, and are responsible for the bailouts of big banks nationally and overseas during the financial crisis. The stability they provide is overshadowed by the favor they pay to big banks. Also they don't operate in full transparency.  

No they are not elected. Not directly at least. They are appointed by politicians who are 'elected officials'. Their work is as independent as a supreme court judge nominee. If a conservative is appointed by a conservative, they will govern like a conservative. Yes they put the interests of big banks first, but this is the natural bias of law and economist phDs which is dominated by conservative ideologues. They are lackeys of the ruling class. You are right, they do serve large financial institutions, but they also serve large corporations and their bought politicians in Washington who appoint them. Trump is not exempt from this. He appointed fiscal hawks. A few weeks back he was outraged that the fed raised interest rates that put 1.2 million people out of work to tackle 0.1% of inflation or some stupid number. 

By historical standards Trump is an outlier to ordinary Republican fiscal policy. The party is full of economic terrorists but Trump to his political skill is engaging in big spending again, regardless of his corrupt oligarchic methods of doing so. This has resulted in a better than avg economy over the last 20 years. For the rich that is. Workers are getting jobs back, they're all shit pay and barely over the poverty line, but it is better than Obama's post GFC economy and that is what will give Trump extra political capital in future.

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9 hours ago, pharmassists said:

You're not wrong that latin American prosperity would help. We can't just throw money at them and assume their government is magically going to stop being shit. China is doing well economically but it's still a shit place to live, for instance.

Most issues of latin America are issues of political and economic sovereignty. And it isn't just Republicans who engage in murderous fascist coups, illegal trade wars/dumping, propaganda campaigns, assassinations, drugs trades etc. The caravan that Trump has used to whip up racist hatred was created by the Obama administrations coup in central America that toppled multiple governments in exchange for pro American business friendly companies.

America essentially controls it's own backyard from political to economic policy. When you hear about USAID and big numbers going these countries, it isn't to help them, it is to build infrastructure to help companies extract resources. It's called 'debt trap diplomacy'.

Building a wall will not solve the issue because the forces that compel people to migrate are still there and are increasing in severity.  

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8 hours ago, pharmassists said:

If universal basic income replaced entitlement benefits would it be a good idea? I actually think it might.

UBI is as old an idea as Milton Friedman. It's a really shit idea and leftists praise it as progressive and shit but if it is praised by extreme right wingers and giant corporations there is something wrong with it.

 

The difference between UBI and an elaborate welfare state is that a UBI can be secretively eroded by inflation while a welfare state guarantees every single citizen the right to a social service.

UBI would slowly take away the rights of citizens and it is a horror that leftists propose this totalitarian policy rather than advocating jobs for all with social protections.

 

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6 hours ago, TheDood said:

 

When does Starbucks take my money at gunpoint? When does Starbucks tell me what I can and can not say? When does Starbucks tell me what Religion I can practice or not? Does it enforce any of its views with guns? 

Corporations are heartless and money hungry, but they are ultimately slaves to their consumers and shareholders.

Starbucks doesn't take your money at gunpoint directly. They use their profit to enter the political arena to shape market policies to benefit them financially. Large corporations have a symbiotic relationship with government and their profit motive even translates to foreign policy and international aggression. Starbucks cooperates and benefits from many other institutions such as the IMF, The World Bank, USAID and other arms of American aggression that gives them the ability to take over latin American industry for example. Debt traps and economic capture allows Starbucks to benefit from near slavery conditions in the third world to get their coffee beans.

Does it enforce any of its views with guns? Yes actually. In latin America, these companies force governments to get rid of worker protections and ban the right to strike. Large multinationals actually murder union leaders and hire right wing death squads to terror the peasants into working on the plantation.

The Coca Cola company is another example of a company that employs death squads in their operations abroad. 

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5 hours ago, TheDood said:

Yeah I know you're always half trolling but it's a point I see tons of conservatives make.

Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, or more recently, William F. Buckley are all hicks.

Edmund Burke and Adam Smith would be considered communists by conservatives in today's political landscape. Buckley is just a fascist provocateur.

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5 hours ago, TheDood said:

I'm open to it but I guess I'm not as optimistic that people "either have drive or they don't".

This is an interesting article on the subject.

https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic-income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work

Aparently, it has been tried in small areas and failed, granted that was in addition to current entitlements which probably skews the results. 

When you dish out UBI and then contract the economy through spending cuts and taxation to not offer enough jobs to job seekers. People naturally won't work because they CANT. Remember, government and the banking sector decide the demand for work. I am not for UBI, but this Koch concocted 'study' is bullshit.

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Niku, you agree with me on UBI.

 

Does that mean you are a racist, white nationalist Nazi terrorist by association?

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16 minutes ago, Rick said:

Niku, you agree with me on UBI.

 

Does that mean you are a racist, white nationalist Nazi terrorist by association?

I am against UBI on completely different conclusions. I'm not like you. Sorry mate. UBI is not a socialist plot, dumbass.

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Just now, Niku said:

I am against UBI on completely different conclusions. I'm not like you. Sorry mate. UBI is not a socialist plot, dumbass.

We disagree on UBI for the same exact reasons!

 

We are both Nazi Terries!!!!!

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1 hour ago, Niku said:

Most issues of latin America are issues of political and economic sovereignty. And it isn't just Republicans who engage in murderous fascist coups, illegal trade wars/dumping, propaganda campaigns, assassinations, drugs trades etc. The caravan that Trump has used to whip up racist hatred was created by the Obama administrations coup in central America that toppled multiple governments in exchange for pro American business friendly companies.

America essentially controls it's own backyard from political to economic policy. When you hear about USAID and big numbers going these countries, it isn't to help them, it is to build infrastructure to help companies extract resources. It's called 'debt trap diplomacy'.

Building a wall will not solve the issue because the forces that compel people to migrate are still there and are increasing in severity.  

I only know this is true because of my friend from Africa. They come in build infrastructure in a way that only Americans can maintain, and then sap resources and funds with interest as repayment. It's pretty shitty. 

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I'm mainly thinking about UBI because I believe technology is quickly fazing out many jobs, and I question where we will place the displaced. 

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38 minutes ago, pharmassists said:

I only know this is true because of my friend from Africa. They come in build infrastructure in a way that only Americans can maintain, and then sap resources and funds with interest as repayment. It's pretty shitty. 

Nazi's don't have friends from Africa, stop lying.

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3 hours ago, pharmassists said:

I'm mainly thinking about UBI because I believe technology is quickly fazing out many jobs, and I question where we will place the displaced. 

Your nation is literally crumbling and you're telling me there isn't going to be enough jobs. The robots will take over everything meme is pie in the sky stuff.

 

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7 hours ago, Niku said:

Your nation is literally crumbling and you're telling me there isn't going to be enough jobs. The robots will take over everything meme is pie in the sky stuff.

 

Might want to tell our GDP that. (It doesn't know)

Robots won't take over everything but low/middle skill jobs are shrinking. That's just a fact. 

How come you exaggerate everything people write?

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I remember a time people said the trump Russia collusion case was complete nonsense and was just liberal propaganda. L m a o

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This guy definitely needs to check his toxic masculinity:

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Fkn hero.  Dude canoed 3 terrorists solo.  I'd love to post the aftermath photos but it's too violent for the ladyboys in here.

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I forgot to use my Gillette razor to shave today and now I have the sudden urge to catcall women 

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1 hour ago, TheDood said:

I forgot to use my Gillette razor to shave today and now I have the sudden urge to catcall women 

Use your razor to cut off your weiner = problem solved. Thank me later :)

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