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How is it childish for someone who looks at a company making BILLIONS of dollars and wanting a piece of that pie?

 

Like you see a company making that much rake and you're just going to sit there and not demand more after they made that off your back? Dude what the fuck of course the logical thing to do is get at least closer to a number that is worth the amount of work you put in.

Because they offer positions that pay a certain salary and people accept the jobs?

How the hell do you accept a job knowing what is pays and then demand more? 

 

To your previous post, Bezos owns the business. He can take home as much as he wants as long as he pays everyone else at least minimum wage. If people accept the job at that amount, I see no reason to DEMAND more. I'm not gonna sell my house for 250, sign it over, then demand 300. 

Pretty sure employees being forced to piss in bottles or get into trouble is a major labor law violation. Paying people a low amount is not. I think Bezos is a shitty dude but you and everyone else have no entitlement to his money. 

 

"They're getting rich off my back" You agreed to work for an agreed upon amount of money. How childish can you be.

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How is it childish for someone who looks at a company making BILLIONS of dollars and wanting a piece of that pie?

 

 

because the owners/investors were the ones taking financial risk and deserve their financial reward, this is how capatilism works, its called incentive. only children do not understand that principle and beg for things they didnt earn 

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Because they offer positions that pay a certain salary and people accept the jobs?

How the hell do you accept a job knowing what is pays and then demand more? 

 

To your previous post, Bezos owns the business. He can take home as much as he wants as long as he pays everyone else at least minimum wage. If people accept the job at that amount, I see no reason to DEMAND more. I'm not gonna sell my house for 250, sign it over, then demand 300. 

Pretty sure employees being forced to piss in bottles or get into trouble is a major labor law violation. Paying people a low amount is not. I think Bezos is a shitty dude but you and everyone else have no entitlement to his money. 

 

"They're getting rich off my back" You agreed to work for an agreed upon amount of money. How childish can you be.

I'm pretty sure amazon and those severely overworked employees also had an agreement for x labor for y pay. But you know how that turned out. It's the same shit with Walmart and other major corps that they will find a way to push you to the brink. So please save the technicality bullshit because it is severely one sided. IF it was ok you do this one job and don't get overworked then fine it's justifiable, but almost under every circumstance you'll hear people being overworked at these companies and it's just so interesting how the top benefits greatly off them.

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because the owners/investors were the ones taking financial risk and deserve their financial reward, this is how capatilism works, its called incentive. only children do not understand that principle and beg for things they didnt earn 

thats nice man but after dividends are paid and investors are paid a massive chunk of that profit goes to the tip top.

 

also lol just because you take a financial risk on something and it pays off doesnt mean you should be a multi billionaire and fuck over people for the foreseeable future.

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Alright I've changed my mind.

 

Everyone post your current net worth and we will all settle up and make everything even. If you have more money than me, you don't deserve it  and it should be given to me. 

 

I'm part of the solution now. 

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A large portion of rich peoples' fortunes are made via nepotism, throat-cutting, luck, and an easier work day than those on the lower rung. 

 

They are just as replaceable and their positions are protected by ownership laws and bureaucracy, not by merit. 

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He plans to fund enough projects that it will provide a guaranteed ($15/hr) to every unemployed person in America.  Our unemployment is around 4.1% right now, that's 13.4 million people or 380 billion in wages if you assume full-time work.  The unemployment numbers grow too if you consider what you said above...  This also assumes the .gov doesn't double or triple the cost through inefficiencies (which ALWAYS happens in .gov projects). 

 

Also, the plan guarantees healthcare bennies...  who knows how much that is.

 

This program could easily crack a trillion.

 

The 'concept', imo, isn't terrible in that it could essentially reduce or eliminate the need for unemployment welfare and at the same time help improve our nations infrastructure (which we really need) and economies but I just don't see how it get's paid for w/o increasing taxes on people already in the work force substantially and compound our national debt.  You could subtract our unemployment welfare spending from the total cost but that's only about 67 billion.  A reduction in tax breaks for the corporations would help too but still...  when you look at this program and then think of all the other 'programs' socialists want like free healthcare, free education and now this, it gets ugly as shit from a dollar perspective.

If the government purchases assets to utilise idle labour and create value adding assets, this fills the gap of unemployed rate. The goal is full employment and it is in the private sector's interest to have job-ready experienced workers to be picked up from a public sector job program. As an investor that requires labour, unemployment/the unemployed are considered 'damaged goods' because they don't have skills, have no references from past employment and may suffer many health issues associated with unemployment. These 'damages' to labour include poverty, crime, social isolation, depression, despair, substance abuse, political extremism, and relationship breakdown. I admit it is very difficult to cost just how much these symptoms of unemployment have on society in monetary terms, but it is a known fact that it eats away all levels of society and hampers economic growth. A job guarantee would essentially replace or at least minimize the welfare state and all the costs associated with mass involuntary unemployment. It's a smarter way at looking at the way money is used in an economy because it constructs value adding assets instead of financing social misery and dependence. It would create a smarter, healthier and happier workforce which makes employing them more attractive to the private sector. It is important that these jobs are organized in a democratic fashion that incorporates the needs and values of both conservatives and progressives and that it is costed to the penny without causing inflation or requiring taxation.

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A large portion of rich peoples' fortunes are made via nepotism, throat-cutting, luck, and an easier work day than those on the lower rung. 

 

They are just as replaceable and their positions are protected by ownership laws and bureaucracy, not by merit.

 

There is nothing wrong with being rich or successful. Your character is defined on whether or not you give back to your community that made your success possible. Adam Smith saw this as a naturally occuring feature of human nature to help the downtrodden and by an 'invisible hand' the misery induced by property accumulation would be offset by man's natural feelings of sympathy and empathy.

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There is nothing wrong with being rich or successful. Your character is defined on whether or not you give back to your community that made your success possible. Adam Smith saw this as a naturally occuring feature of human nature to help the downtrodden and by an 'invisible hand' the misery induced by property accumulation would be offset by man's natural feelings of sympathy and empathy.

 

I didn't say being rich was a sin. I said often the sinful are rich. 

 

And the invisible hand is horseshit and flies in the face of basically everything we know about human psychology on the broad. 

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If the government purchases assets to utilise idle labour and create value adding assets, this fills the gap of unemployed rate. The goal is full employment and it is in the private sector's interest to have job-ready experienced workers to be picked up from a public sector job program. As an investor that requires labour, unemployment/the unemployed are considered 'damaged goods' because they don't have skills, have no references from past employment and may suffer many health issues associated with unemployment. These 'damages' to labour include poverty, crime, social isolation, depression, despair, substance abuse, political extremism, and relationship breakdown. I admit it is very difficult to cost just how much these symptoms of unemployment have on society in monetary terms, but it is a known fact that it eats away all levels of society and hampers economic growth. A job guarantee would essentially replace or at least minimize the welfare state and all the costs associated with mass involuntary unemployment. It's a smarter way at looking at the way money is used in an economy because it constructs value adding assets instead of financing social misery and dependence. It would create a smarter, healthier and happier workforce which makes employing them more attractive to the private sector. It is important that these jobs are organized in a democratic fashion that incorporates the needs and values of both conservatives and progressives and that it is costed to the penny without causing inflation or requiring taxation.

Nice post n all but that doesn’t really address what I was talking about at all.

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I didn't say being rich was a sin. I said often the sinful are rich. 

 

And the invisible hand is horseshit and flies in the face of basically everything we know about human psychology on the broad.

 

I disagree. There are sinful people from every social class. This is one case that I dislike about leftists. They see success under capitalism as evil without even acknowledging competion in markets is mandatory no matter who you are. Capitalism may completely tear at the very fabric of the societal condition, but everyone must play its game. Resentment and hatred for peoples only create the very system that leftists wish to abolish. You cannot blow up a social relationship. You can appeal to human's rationale and plea for the preservation of human dignity. Both the prolatariat and the bourgeoisie are in this together, and only the naturally occuring conditions of alturism and reason can fix it. If you believe this cannot occur or does not exist. Then humans will have devolved as a social species and become more akin to our reptilian ancestors. The survival of the human species depends on democracy. I hope not all liberals are this cynical.

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Nice post n all but that doesn’t really address what I was talking about at all.

What are your main addresses to the job guarantee? I'll attempt to answer as best I can.

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How is it childish for someone who looks at a company making BILLIONS of dollars and wanting a piece of that pie?

 

Like you see a company making that much rake and you're just going to sit there and not demand more after they made that off your back? Dude what the fuck of course the logical thing to do is get at least closer to a number that is worth the amount of work you put in.

The logical thing to do is not to demand that someone else pays your unskilled ass more for unskilled labor.  Good lord.

I'm pretty sure amazon and those severely overworked employees also had an agreement for x labor for y pay. But you know how that turned out. It's the same shit with Walmart and other major corps that they will find a way to push you to the brink. So please save the technicality bullshit because it is severely one sided. IF it was ok you do this one job and don't get overworked then fine it's justifiable, but almost under every circumstance you'll hear people being overworked at these companies and it's just so interesting how the top benefits greatly off them.

If any of those people were worth a shit they would find jobs that pay a better wage.

 

What exactly is being overworked?  Doing the job you were hired for?

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I disagree. There are sinful people from every social class.

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This is one case that I dislike about leftists. They see success under capitalism as evil without even acknowledging competion in markets is mandatory no matter who you are. Capitalism may completely tear at the very fabric of the societal condition, but everyone must play its game.

In no way, shape, or form is there a "must" in prioritizing the absolute speediest rocketing of human advancement into the future at all cost, which is capitalism's stripped down fundamental tenet - that is to say, my extremely generous phrasing of it.

 

Less charitably, it's greed. Greed by those who are presently rich and those who believe that that it is only because of this or that misunderstanding that they are not rich. 

 

Resentment and hatred for peoples only create the very system that leftists wish to abolish. You cannot blow up a social relationship. You can appeal to human's rationale and plea for the preservation of human dignity. Both the prolatariat and the bourgeoisie are in this together, and only the naturally occuring conditions of alturism and reason can fix it. If you believe this cannot occur or does not exist. Then humans will have devolved as a social species and become more akin to our reptilian ancestors. The survival of the human species depends on democracy. I hope not all liberals are this cynical.

 

This is about five red herrings strung out on a row together, in fact I really don't even know how to respond to this at all. There is no "relationship" unless those of power and means see themselves as the kin of those without, and in American culture they don't. It can't be stated more simply than that. 

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What are your main addresses to the job guarantee? I'll attempt to answer as best I can.

How does it get paid for.

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In no way, shape, or form is there a "must" in prioritizing the absolute speediest rocketing of human advancement into the future at all cost, which is capitalism's stripped down fundamental tenet - that is to say, my extremely generous phrasing of it.

Less charitably, it's greed. Greed by those who are presently rich and those who believe that that it is only because of this or that misunderstanding that they are not rich. 

 

 

 

This is about five red herrings strung out on a row together, in fact I really don't even know how to respond to this at all. There is no "relationship" unless those of power and means see themselves as the kin of those without, and in American culture they don't. It can't be stated more simply than that.

 

Do you believe the political class would change? Societal regression is observably cyclical. Marxism is very deterministic and a form of 'left wing' accelerationism. It argues against the very concept of free will, and references capitalism as a breathing organism that murders and pillages humanity but at the same time accelerates the advancement of technology. My point being is that there is no real solution. Greed is human nature, and only alturism and empathy can smoothen the edges of capital's paradoxically creative but destructive forces. Only the human condition can clutch onto human dignity and if like you say, humans are incapable of maintaining such trait, then humans as a species risks extinction.

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Do you believe the political class would change? Societal regression is observably cyclical. Marxism is very deterministic and a form of 'left wing' accelerationism. It argues against the very concept of free will, and references capitalism as a breathing organism that murders and pillages humanity but at the same time accelerates the advancement of technology. My point being is that there is no real solution. Greed is human nature, and only alturism and empathy can smoothen the edges of capital's paradoxically creative but destructive forces. Only the human condition can clutch onto human dignity and if like you say, humans are incapable of maintaining such trait, then humans as a species risks extinction.

 

I'm not a Marxist nor do I subscribe to any left wing economic ideology at all. 

 

Secondly, well...yeah, if things were different then they'd be different. The frame of context in what I said is that there is no justification for saying that the working class doesn't deserve to be tended to, because the poor and the rich are in fact a yin and yang to the same system. The rich are not a superior species who are exclusively entitled to a worry-free existence. 

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How does it get paid for.

The costs of unemployment is paradoxically higher than employing them.

Welfare

Sickness

Crime

And even general stupidity drains the life force of an economy. I'm sorry I can't get a figure going because these things are the hidden costs of unemployment.

It is merely an inductive claim based on evidence from the years of full employment from the 40s to the 70s.

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I'm not a Marxist nor do I subscribe to any left wing economic ideology at all.

 

Secondly, well...yeah, if things were different then they'd be different. The frame of context in what I said is that there is no justification for saying that the working class doesn't deserve to be tended to, because the poor and the rich are in fact a yin and yang to the same system. The rich are not a superior species who are exclusively entitled to a worry-free existence.

 

Adam Smith's basic argument is that rich people would simply feel sorry for renters and labourers and would naturally give something back. The more society becomes a hive mind through technology, the easier it will be to feel for others suffering in far away lands. I hopr at least.

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Adam Smith's basic argument is that rich people would simply feel sorry for renters and labourers and would naturally give something back. The more society becomes a hive mind through technology, the easier it will be to feel for others suffering in far away lands. I hopr at least.

 

I have bad news for you. Technology is better enabling us to do what we've always wanted to do as individuals among a species - separate ourselves from the real world and create a fake world where everything is perfect. 

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I wish some of you who like to blame and put the the unskilled worker at fault had to work one week in the staffing industry. 

 

My employers are infinitely worse than MANY of the people I put to work. At will employment is a huge issue for the unskilled and underpaid laborer. 

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Since when do Wal-Mart associates bust their ass? Have you shopped at Wal-Mart?

If its like any other retail place I hear the people who unload the truck slave away like crazy. Also as a former pharmacy tech that job prob blows for them at times too. Also prob understaffed so yeah probably busting their ass.

 

As for shopping there I rarely do. ironically enough I was actually there a few days ago but only because I wanted to buy an iwatch which was on sale for 179. but I'm an aldi/meijer/jewel osco/target sort of guy. I guess those are kinda comparable to publix in flordia? Except aldi which is just a good value market that I really like their philosophy of. Keep products cheap, gotta bring a quarter for the cart and then if you want bags pay for them. 

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I think companies should do profit sharing for all employees. Even the smallest % of profit share would be a huge motivating tool. An hourly/salary employee is the worst kind. I personally just do the bare minimum at my job because there is no incentive to kill myself.

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If its like any other retail place I hear the people who unload the truck slave away like crazy. Also as a former pharmacy tech that job prob blows for them at times too. Also prob understaffed so yeah probably busting their ass.

 

They dont slave away like crazy, its easy mental work, just some light physical labor. Anything over a hundred lbs gets lifted via forklift or dolly. Moving things from point A to point B is as menial as it gets 

It makes sense for people who have no skills to be doing unskilled labor 

 

 

aldi/meijer/jewel osco sort of guy. 

 
For all the complaining you do about life not being fair, you do seem to support grocers and buisnesses that underpay their workers. Just so you could save a buck or two. GG proving your hypocrite status

Lets not even discuss the quality of these three grocers, or the impact that their cattle programs have on our C02 emmissions. or any other numerous reasons you shouldnt be such a cheap ass and contribute to the same problems that you complain about. 

Its like at the end of the day how do you expect your words to have any substance, when your actions dont have any? 

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