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We are going to start taxing the rich at 99.9% so that every American can make 15 an hour with health care....that will be the proposal

Roosevelt taxed the wealthiest at 90% and it was the most prosperous era of American history. It was also the so called 'golden age' of capitalism.

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Kinda scary knowing people like you exist in this country thinking corps are gonna pay for everything w/o leaving.

 

Lets also talk about a guaranteed (.gov) job program that will cost trillions in an extremely low unemployment economy, not to mention the inflation it potentially will cause.

 

...and this is on top of free healthcare, free education and an inflated welfare program.

 

God u are fucking ra tarded.

The level of unemployment in the US is screwed as governments move the goal post as to what is considered unemployed. You can work 1 hour a week and be considered employed, this is also not including the hidden figures of individuals who simply drop out of the workforce and have given up seeking work.

 

1 in 4 Americans do not have a full time job. The job guarantee would be costed enough that it would utilise all idle labour and resources not being used by the private sector, but at the same time not be costed too high that it would cause inflation. If inflation occurs. Government's would tax accordingly or raise interest rates. However given America's attitudes towards taxation, it is simply better to aim for full employment with as little inflation as possible without needing to tax people.

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I don't think anybody is in favor of corporate welfare. Jobs for everyone at $15 an hour is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I also might add that corporate welfare as of now probably exceeds anything a job guarantee would ever cost lol. Add the military on top of that and a minimum wage job for a few million people seems like nothing :)

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Niku I'm not sure if you understand but minimum wage is 7.25 not 15. That's one of the primary reasons I am bashing it and assume the same for others.

 

I work for a large company that tries to make everyone new start in one of the call centers. Last time I checked we were paying somewhere around 13 an hour. That's not a horrible deal for someone starting off out of college or someone without a degree trying to start a career.

 

Guaranteeing 15 an hour would bone so many businesses so hard that they would have to shut down. Despite what gfh says, some places really can't afford to pay much more than they currently do and certainly couldn't keep operating if you got double the min wage guaranteed elsewhere.

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Niku I'm not sure if you understand but minimum wage is 7.25 not 15. That's one of the primary reasons I am bashing it and assume the same for others.

 

I work for a large company that tries to make everyone new start in one of the call centers. Last time I checked we were paying somewhere around 13 an hour. That's not a horrible deal for someone starting off out of college or someone without a degree trying to start a career.

 

Guaranteeing 15 an hour would bone so many businesses so hard that they would have to shut down. Despite what gfh says, some places really can't afford to pay much more than they currently do and certainly couldn't keep operating if you got double the min wage guaranteed elsewhere.

A job guarantee would hire as a last resort so it isn't competing with the private sector for workers. For some businesses, yes it is important for wage costs to be low to operate and it would not make sense for job seekers to choose the $8 per hour job over the $15 one unless there were unique personal benefits to that job such as friends or enjoyment. A loosening of taxes would offset the business' financial space to the worker which would ensure both the competiveness of the business and a living wage for workers.

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A job guarantee would hire as a last resort so it isn't competing with the private sector for workers. For some businesses, yes it is important for wage costs to be low to operate and it would not make sense for job seekers to choose the $8 per hour job over the $15 one unless there were unique personal benefits to that job such as friends or enjoyment. A loosening of taxes would offset the business' financial space to the worker which would ensure both the competiveness of the business and a living wage for workers.

Fair point. I just don't see a system where this would realistically play out how anyone would like it to.

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Niku I'm not sure if you understand but minimum wage is 7.25 not 15. That's one of the primary reasons I am bashing it and assume the same for others.

 

I work for a large company that tries to make everyone new start in one of the call centers. Last time I checked we were paying somewhere around 13 an hour. That's not a horrible deal for someone starting off out of college or someone without a degree trying to start a career.

 

Guaranteeing 15 an hour would bone so many businesses so hard that they would have to shut down. Despite what gfh says, some places really can't afford to pay much more than they currently do and certainly couldn't keep operating if you got double the min wage guaranteed elsewhere.

 

13$ isnt awful

but its almost impossible to make a living on 7.25$. A lot of the 3/4 of people who do have full time jobs get paid between 7.25-13... which isnt a whole lot. 

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You can't have cost estimates when you haven't planned what jobs are going to be provided and whether the jobs would cause inflation. That requires a lot of research, planning and accounting. 

 

He plans to fund enough projects that it will provide a guaranteed ($15/hr) to every unemployed person in America.  Our unemployment is around 4.1% right now, that's 13.4 million people or 380 billion in wages if you assume full-time work.  The unemployment numbers grow too if you consider what you said above...  This also assumes the .gov doesn't double or triple the cost through inefficiencies (which ALWAYS happens in .gov projects). 

 

Also, the plan guarantees healthcare bennies...  who knows how much that is.

 

This program could easily crack a trillion.

 

The 'concept', imo, isn't terrible in that it could essentially reduce or eliminate the need for unemployment welfare and at the same time help improve our nations infrastructure (which we really need) and economies but I just don't see how it get's paid for w/o increasing taxes on people already in the work force substantially and compound our national debt.  You could subtract our unemployment welfare spending from the total cost but that's only about 67 billion.  A reduction in tax breaks for the corporations would help too but still...  when you look at this program and then think of all the other 'programs' socialists want like free healthcare, free education and now this, it gets ugly as shit from a dollar perspective.

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13$ isnt awful

but its almost impossible to make a living on 7.25$. A lot of the 3/4 of people who do have full time jobs get paid between 7.25-13... which isnt a whole lot.

I won't argue that 7.25 isn't very liveable but if that's what a company can afford then that is what they will pay. If they can't afford it then they won't open.

 

There is a decent argument that companies that profit in the billions should pay more but those scenarios need to be taken in context as well.

Fast food typically runs on individual franchises. Most owners run on razor thin margins and even take a loss selling items (think the dollar whopper.) Even looking at a place like Walmart. Sure they make billions in profit but how much more can they realistically pay their over 2 million employees while continuing to steadily grow?

 

Min wage is not something most can realistically live on but the answer certainly isn't forcing people to pay their employees more than they can afford or more than they are worth. You also can't just give everyone 15 an hour with benefits that wants it and think most local businesses will stay open.

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I think what should happen is that once your business becomes as monstrous as Walmart or amazon 15 an hour should be the standard rate. Local businesses can still have the 11-12 rates if they need it for their bottom line.

 

Like you can have set guidelines where once you become massive the check and balance of that is you have to pay your employees more.

 

I think ultimately that’s how you fix all this. Small and big business can’t have just one set of rules or else big will just always wipe out the little guy.

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This is on par with GFH's bright idea (I guess it's communism's idea) of just giving your business away to employees. 

Sorry Walmart but you made X billion and 1 dollars in profit so now the wages you have to pay to your 2.3 million employees doubles. 

 

It's the exact same problem as being guaranteed 15 an hour and benefits by the government. Now you're guaranteed 15 an hour to say hello to people entering walmart? Highschool kids bagging things for my wife at Jewel-Osco should get 11-12/hr? If that were the case they would just eliminate the bagger position(which they typically hire high school kids and people with mental or physical challenges to do.) 

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I’ve never seen someone defend Walmart this hard, lol.

 

They work their people to death and you pick the one position old people do to justify your position.

 

Also, last I heard Walmart minimum wage is 11/hr here. Target is 12. And they’re both doing perfectly fine. They could go 15 with their bottom line not really being touched, because people never think of the boost in productivity when someone is being paid more. People are going to try less and not want to do shit if they’re being paid shit. It’s just how it works. Also would cut down on the rehiring and retraining of employees which costs a lot.

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I’ve never seen someone defend Walmart this hard, lol.

 

They work their people to death and you pick the one position old people do to justify your position.

 

Also, last I heard Walmart minimum wage is 11/hr here. Target is 12. And they’re both doing perfectly fine. They could go 15 with their bottom line not really being touched, because people never think of the boost in productivity when someone is being paid more. People are going to try less and not want to do shit if they’re being paid shit. It’s just how it works. Also would cut down on the rehiring and retraining of employees which costs a lot.

 

Do you think Walmart is going to eat that revenue loss?

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Do you think Walmart is going to eat that revenue loss?

They should since they got that big tax break from donnie trump.

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Walmart is like the last line of defense against amazon, what if those companies merge? We would all be buying everything we own from Jeff Bezos lol

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But their giving away their business! If they reinvested 100M of their 5B+ in profit they would sink!

Care to do the math on what 100M spread out amongst 2.3million employees equals out to?

 

And I'm not sitting here defending Walmart. I just find it hilarious when people think they deserve money from someone because "come on man, you got the money."

Companies pay what they do because people will do it for that amount. If someone decides they won't do it for that amount there are tons of people who will. 

If they can't find competent employees for the position at that wage, they raise it. These are not difficult concepts. 

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yeah man the walton heirs did alot to earn those billions. they came out of the ballsack of sam walton so they worked really hard.

 

so whats the argument again that people who actually built up walmart and do all the labor dont deserve it, but the walmart board who sits there and look pretty deserve it? 

 

like you can sit there and say people willingly work for those wages but when one party knows that and they're taking complete advantage cmon dude, dont be a soulless r*tard.

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yeah man the walton heirs did alot to earn those billions. they came out of the ballsack of sam walton so they worked really hard.

 

so whats the argument again that people who actually built up walmart and do all the labor dont deserve it, but the walmart board who sits there and look pretty deserve it? 

 

like you can sit there and say people willingly work for those wages but when one party knows that and they're taking complete advantage cmon dude, dont be a soulless r*tard.

 

When you have absolutely zero argument so you revert to socialism and feelings.

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When you have absolutely zero argument so you revert to socialism and feelings.

how is it socialism to get paid a decent wage for the work your bust your ass for?

 

Also yes, I have feelings. You have feelings. It's part of being a human. You can look at things in a logical and scientific light and still feel for people who are strugging or getting taken advantage of. You can too, it's not illegal I promise.

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Pretty sure GFH came up with this same argument a few months back. I think it was one of those times when instead of deciding he lost, he instead declared "lol u mad" and dissapeared for a few weeks. 

 

You think someone's wealth should be seized upon their death?

You deserve someone else's money because "come on man?"

Wealth isn't about what one deserves. Never has been. Building large wealth for yourself and making sure your descendants can live well for many generations or perhaps forever is great. It may not be "deserved," but the idea that you or someone else deserves it is pretty childish. The world is never going to work that way. The few times a country tries to make it work that way, it fails horribly. 

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No, that isn't my stance. But when your stance is who's doing work and who isn't then it's pretty clear who is more deserving of at least a little more. And your idea of who's deserving of it is bullshit.

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No, that isn't my stance. But when your stance is who's doing work and who isn't then it's pretty clear who is more deserving of at least a little more. And your idea of who's deserving of it is bullshit.

Again, wealth will never be about what is deserved. The reason the Waltons have a fortune is because their father started a business. When you own a business you get to decide every aspect of it including your own take home pay. You are free to do whatever you want with your own money. You don't just get to decide that you are entitled to someone else's money. People know what a job pays when they take it. 

 

The absolute sense of entitlement amongst people that think they deserve someone else's money is absolutely astounding. If you think the pay is too low, go find another job that pays better. If you are going to tell me that that can be difficult to do, then maybe you don't deserve it. 

 

Having to piss into bottles at the Amazon warehouse is incredibly shitty and unacceptable. Having your feelings hurt because you get paid 11/hr but want 15 is just pure childish entitlement. 

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hmm should billions go to jeff bezos again while he wasnt taxed this year or should some of that go to workers who are peeing in bottles because they aren't allowed to take bathroom breaks because of being forced to work at mach 1 speed, we'll leave that to the einstiens of the world to decide which would be better for an economy.

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Again, wealth will never be about what is deserved. The reason the Waltons have a fortune is because their father started a business. When you own a business you get to decide every aspect of it including your own take home pay. You are free to do whatever you want with your own money. You don't just get to decide that you are entitled to someone else's money. People know what a job pays when they take it. 

 

The absolute sense of entitlement amongst people that think they deserve someone else's money is absolutely astounding. If you think the pay is too low, go find another job that pays better. If you are going to tell me that that can be difficult to do, then maybe you don't deserve it. 

 

Having to piss into bottles at the Amazon warehouse is incredibly shitty and unacceptable. Having your feelings hurt because you get paid 11/hr but want 15 is just pure childish entitlement. 

How is it childish for someone who looks at a company making BILLIONS of dollars and wanting a piece of that pie?

 

Like you see a company making that much rake and you're just going to sit there and not demand more after they made that off your back? Dude what the fuck of course the logical thing to do is get at least closer to a number that is worth the amount of work you put in.

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