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I feel it's going too far calling for his resignation and saying he should be fired, your crossing a line and getting personal there IMO. I'd be a little embarrassed if I owned an org and my players where literally telling him to quit his job as it's pretty disrespectful. I get people people are pissed but it's going too far.

Outside of the obvious differences, this happens in the business world all the time.

 

Wells fargo bank got caught in a scandal and people told the ceo he should lose his job. He did. The ceo of mozilla was chased out because he voted republican. Reddit now has 2 ceos who came under fire. One was forced to resign and the other is still pending.

 

This is sort of how some of these big changes are made when a boss is seen or believed to be actively harming his company or product. Personal attacks are out of bounds but to say that as the head of this company, he is doing a bad job and should be replaced is fair. It is disrespectful to the person (that respect must be earned anyway) but shows care for the product.

 

we all want halo, not just competitive halo, to succeed and if enough people think quinn is a hindering that, then it should be said and maybe hos bosses will notice that there is a problem.

 

Edit: i feel i should say that i dont know enough about quinn to know if he is a problem. Im only saying there is precident for people calling for a resignation

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Do not honestly know which forum is more depressing the cod competitive reddit or this one.

 

Both communities exhausted/frustrated, both communities betrayed, both communities at the mercy of incompetent devs.

 

Seems like my only option is to become a gears fan, (and how depressing is that to say out loud, I envy the gears of war players)

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Do not honestly know which forum is more depressing the cod competitive reddit or this one.

 

Both communities exhausted/frustrated, both communities betrayed, both communities at the mercy of incompetent devs.

 

Seems like my only option is to become a gears fan, (and how depressing is that to say out loud, I envy the gears of war players)

I'm gonna be a Halo fan till the day it dies, Gears is fun to play but as a competitive game it's not really fun for me to watch. I really hope 343 can make a good change since Halo has so much potential.

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Outside of the obvious differences, this happens in the business world all the time.

 

Wells fargo bank got caught in a scandal and people told the ceo he should lose his job. He did. The ceo of mozilla was chased out because he voted republican. Reddit now has 2 ceos who came under fire. One was forced to resign and the other is still pending.

 

This is sort of how some of these big changes are made when a boss is seen or believed to be actively harming his company or product. Personal attacks are out of bounds but to say that as the head of this company, he is doing a bad job and should be replaced is fair. It is disrespectful to the person (that respect must be earned anyway) but shows care for the product.

 

we all want halo, not just competitive halo, to succeed and if enough people think quinn is a hindering that, then it should be said and maybe hos bosses will notice that there is a problem.

 

Edit: i feel i should say that i dont know enough about quinn to know if he is a problem. Im only saying there is precident for people calling for a resignation

Outside of the obvious difference that all those people make millions of dollars and Quinn clearly does not. Getting someone fired from a mid level job is showing you care guys. Get on it.

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Outside of the obvious difference that all those people make millions of dollars and Quinn clearly does not. Getting someone fired from a mid level job is showing you care guys. Get on it.

Like i said i dont know much about quinn to know if calling for him to be fired is right. But to say that halos current management team is failing us and a new team could do better is not inappropriate

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https://twitter.com/quinndelhoyo/status/802258575015886849

 

Which is exactly whe we want separate settings for competitive. What they are doing is taking parts of what different groups want, mashing them together and making everyone play the same thing and thinking they will be happy because they got something they wanted. Actually mind boggling how anyone can think this would work for a game with as many different ways to play and different groups that Halo has.

This is the heart of the problem. Universal settings are never going to work for this franchise. At the very height of competitive halo, mlg had its own settings, and its for a good reason- the general public wants something different from what the esports scene wants.

 

The moment Quinn accepts that, 343 can be more responsive to the needs of the competitive community.

 

As long as they have to consider pissing off golds and plats everytime they remove a power weapon, they are going to err on the side of the average player.

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Assuming that 343 is willing to listen to pro player feedback, I believe that the success of this upcoming HCS settings testing period will largely depend on whether or not they use pro player feedback to make the test settings as opposed to getting pro player feedback on their test settings. It would be another disappointment for the test settings to once again be poor and to have pro players once again have to spend all of their energy to ensure that the HCS doesn't feature Binary Rifles, Riptide, etc. instead of using their energy to try to make positive improvements.

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This is the heart of the problem. Universal settings are never going to work for this franchise. At the very height of competitive halo, mlg had its own settings, and its for a good reason- the general public wants something different from what the esports scene wants.

 

The moment Quinn accepts that, 343 can be more responsive to the needs of the competitive community.

 

As long as they have to consider pissing off golds and plats everytime they remove a power weapon, they are going to err on the side of the average player.

 

I'm the biggest Halo 5 fan, but damn, you're 100% right. I have a lot of friends who aren't interested in the competitive side of this game, yet they play Arena a lot. I even asked one of them if they would still play the Arena playlist if they removed radar and he said he wouldn't. A simple solution is to make a competitive playlist, leave Arena alone. Test everything using that playlist and use the tested settings for the HCS.

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Its taken about a month for gears 4 to get skins for ALL pro teams.

 

Meanwhile its taken almost a YEAR to get THREE (or four) pro skins.

 

343 what the fuck are you doing.

 

Edit: and the worst part is, none of the current skins are nearly as nice as any of the gears skins, apart from the CLG skin, which are no longer available for purchase lol lol lol

Those gears skins are shit. You can only make out the emblem on a few of them

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2gre has won events in 5 halos. Ola and snipedown are now an event win in h6 or h3a to tie him.

 

Like those intros ?

What's up with them store? It shows no clothes, only passes.

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Outside of the obvious difference that all those people make millions of dollars and Quinn clearly does not. Getting someone fired from a mid level job is showing you care guys. Get on it.

Dude it doesn't matter if he's making minimum wage. That's completely irrelevant.
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2gre has won events in 5 halos. Ola and snipedown are now an event win in h6 or h3a to tie him.

 

What's up with them store? It shows no clothes, only passes.

>counting h4 wins

 

kek

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Dude it doesn't matter if he's making minimum wage. That's completely irrelevant.

 

There has to be some accountability for the declining sales, player retention, and other problems over their last 3 games. To say that 343 needs a shake up is an understatement

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Dude it doesn't matter if he's making minimum wage. That's completely irrelevant.

I can't even believe I have to explain this.

 

The CEO's that were cited were fired for completely different reasons than are being stated here in reference to 343 employees. The Wells Fargo CEO firing was because he actively worked to scam his customers for years. The Mozilla CEO was fired for donating to an anti-same sex marriage group. Ellen Pao left because of pressure over changing reddit policies on things like revenge porn and fat shaming. The new Reddit CEO is under fire for shadow editing posts. None of these are related to each other in any way to start, and none of them are even close to related why people want Quinn to leave. People want him gone solely because they don't like his choices in a video games design.

 

Secondly, the money is totally relevant. The CEO's cited were the highest paid employees in their company. All of these CEO's had buy outs of their contracts in the millions of dollars. They are on a completely different payscale to the rest of us. Quinn is a mid level guy who does not make millions of dollars. He does not have a buyout worth millions of dollars. If Quinn got fired tomorrow because of some petition, Quinn would need to find another job to cover his responsibilities. Quinn probably has a family that requires his income. How do you not see the difference here? This is basic stuff.

 

The fact that people are defending the witch hunting of peoples job is astounding to me.

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Ok, can we stop with the "witch hunt" word confusion already. This isn't the word you want, it should be criticism or evaluation.

 

Quinn has been vocal with sarcasm and real talk with the community since he joined during Halo 4. He isn't some hidden away developer on the game that people are randomly questioning. Fans of the series have every right to voice their opinion on here if they feel the series is headed down the wrong path or continues to be wrong (as long as it's constructive). They are customers, and at the end of the day they have spend hundreds of dollars on the series.

 

Also, can we stop trying to pile on like it's the whole forum that wanted Quinn fired? It was a poster with over 350 neg rep. Let that sink in.

 

Why are we giving some random poster with a bad post history more attention then the glaring issues this game has had for over a year now?

 

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Fix H5 servers

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wins are wins

Unless it involves the Suddoths and a top 8 placing.

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I'm the biggest Halo 5 fan, but damn, you're 100% right. I have a lot of friends who aren't interested in the competitive side of this game, yet they play Arena a lot. I even asked one of them if they would still play the Arena playlist if they removed radar and he said he wouldn't. A simple solution is to make a competitive playlist, leave Arena alone. Test everything using that playlist and use the tested settings for the HCS.

You'd be surprised at what the general public prefers.

 

I got a group of 4 decent players together using LFG, we got stasis flag. Immediately a guy goes "i fucking love this map". Im thinking hes joking- Nope, he loves every inch of it! The conversation went on, and all 3 were upset that assualt and tyrant are no longer in rotation. They say 343 fucked up halo for the pros.

 

Its starting to feel like we only have univeraal settings, so that Quinn snd co can justify NOT making the changes needed for esports.

 

"Sorry guys, i gotta keep radar, fuel rod, caster, PW waypoints, grenade hit markers, autos and Upgraded Surpressors on the map because most of the people who play Arena like that shit."

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What would've happened to Halo if H2 didn't have the BR? If the only "midrange" weapon was that m6C, 9/15 shot pistol? I feel like everything we are arguing about now directly stems from Bungie getting rid of TSK pistol following HCE.

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