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You know as much as I hate id adding something new is the best approach to revive the dead afps genre.The vibe I'm getting from the gameplay I've seen is more of a class based shooter than a hero one.

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UT4 hasn't "failed" yet, its not even in beta, but yes in hindsight starting an open development that early with a very small team of devs, TONS of community conflict over the direction of the project(no duh), and limited resources was not a good idea. They should of have at least waited until it was in a  semi-polished playable beta state. I still have my hope that the game will get alot better closer to the beta stage and maybe the comp scene will pick up some steam.

 

My point was the AFPS NEEDS innovation and possibly fresh IP's as well, a Q3A copy will not be successful. Second, ID is not really copying OW, they had been planning to add characters and abilities to Quake either in QL update(thank god they didn't but still) or future projects. Technically, OW copied TF2, which came from the Quake mod QW:TF.

It's hard not to say UT hasn't failed. The project started August 2014, two and half years later the population is crumbs just simply hoping it will turn around in the future.

 

I honestly don't think it is concrete that AFPS needs innovation (purely from a gameplay aspect, peripheral experience ofc would help) when we literally haven't had a good AFPS that doesn't require you to 'have faith' in some regard. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm actually sad that I think AFPS missed a massive window when the only FPS considered polished and worthwhile was CS and as Overwatch proved there was room in the market for another shooter.

 

Also I would say TF2 and OW are in the same genre of class based shooter but there's enough distinction to say that it wasn't a 'copy', however that's neither here nor there.

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It's hard not to say UT hasn't failed. The project started August 2014, two and half years later the population is crumbs just simply hoping it will turn around in the future.

 

I honestly don't think it is concrete that AFPS needs innovation (purely from a gameplay aspect, peripheral experience ofc would help) when we literally haven't had a good AFPS that doesn't require you to 'have faith' in some regard. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm actually sad that I think AFPS missed a massive window when the only FPS considered polished and worthwhile was CS and as Overwatch proved there was room in the market for another shooter.

 

Also I would say TF2 and OW are in the same genre of class based shooter but there's enough distinction to say that it wasn't a 'copy', however that's neither here nor there.

 

This is what I posted in another thread about UT so I am just C+Ping it. A game cannot fail if it never yet was IMO. UT4 has everything it needs to become a huge and long lived competitive online game:
+Foundation of solid gameplay from the previous titles.
+ A unique theme that unlike for example CS actually makes sense both when:
A. Scaled down to low system requirements, clean shell maps, bright sports clothes, and fragged combatants being teleported off the map without any gibs or fuss.
B. Scaled up to high end detailed sci-fi environments, effects with fountains of blood and radio chatter with torrents of swears.
 
+Well established brand as a competitive game.
+Loyal fanbase that includes people who can produce art, write code, host servers, stream competitions and so on.
+Cool company that shows a lot more respect than some other gaming companies towards both themselves, their products, and their potential customers.
+Devs that experiment with promising ideas like TSD, teammate name tags, bio launcher, first person taunts, and minimize button in the menu.
 
It's just that:
-It would be so much better for everyone involved if developers who make truly unfinished games available to the public finished a minimal part of the game so the players had at least something that worked well while waiting for the rest of the game to get finished.
-Naturally many fans of previous UT games want the same thing as in their favorite previous UT game. However times have changed, it takes more than the past to build a long lived competitive game for the future. What we need is a new game that embodies what people loved about each one of the previous titles while also setting new trends for the future of competitive gaming.
 
UT4 still has potential IMO, much more than any other current AFPS project and its actually fun to play right now but most people are still infatuated with OW or whatever to care. The timing was not good I agree, but maybe if the final version is released around the time of QC when it has some initial success they can mutually benefit each other. It could be like when Goku and Vegeta fused together to form Gogeta to take down their nemesis. We be Fraggin like its 99' all over again  :glasses:

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The passive abilities are so much more interesting than dumb shit like Shadow Walk. And it's definitely nice to see some gameplay from people who know what strafe-jumping is.

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The passive abilities are so much more interesting than dumb shit like Shadow Walk. And it's definitely nice to see some gameplay from people who know what strafe-jumping is.

 

I'm doing my best to reserve my final judgment. 5v5 with champions and abilities just seems like a madhouse. Here's to hoping they don't mess up classic duel. 

 

Much better gameplay video of someone actually good:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_jQ9Dg-eTQENElqU3h5d0RyeXM/view

 

Wow, looks great! Anarki is def gon be my choice, it seems like that will be the fav for many experienced Quake players. That CPMA-style air control is too sexy!

 

The passive abilities are so much more interesting than dumb shit like Shadow Walk. And it's definitely nice to see some gameplay from people who know what strafe-jumping is.

 

Is it weird that the first thing I thought of when I saw Nyx "shadow walk" is this quote: quote-John-Romero-you-want-stealth-be-a-

 

Legendary! Thats probably the most 90's FPS quote I have ever heard. "You want stealth? Play Nyx in Quake Champions!"  :D

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Makes mention of a duel mode, perhaps it will be officially supported in MM?

The three videos on his channel are leaps and bounds ahead of everything else we've seen so far. Looks a lot more polished with decent players as well, will hold my judgment.

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The three videos on his channel are leaps and bounds ahead of everything else we've seen so far. Looks a lot more polished with decent players as well, will hold my judgment.

Yeah the new vids have definitely made me optimistic. I am very disappointed that the plasma gun and grenade launcher aren't returning though

 

One thing that made me question myself though is how fast the strafe jumping/bhopping is. It seems they hit max speed as soon as they do their first circle jump which worries me. Makes it too easy to move around, when the whole point is you ramp up speed as you do it.

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Yeah the new vids have definitely made me optimistic. I am very disappointed that the plasma gun and grenade launcher aren't returning though

 

One thing that made me question myself though is how fast the strafe jumping/bhopping is. It seems they hit max speed as soon as they do their first circle jump which worries me. Makes it too easy to move around, when the whole point is you ramp up speed as you do it.

could be a game setting they used for this event.

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Bullrush seems absolutely pointless.  What's to stop people from just strafe jumping or rocket jumping out of the way?

 

His passive is more like Manntreads / Market Gardener than it is Ground Pound.  Landing on top of people is already hard enough as is in TF2, doubt it will be happening much in Quake.

 

Shadow-walk is still complete bullshit though.

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Bullrush seems absolutely pointless.  What's to stop people from just strafe jumping or rocket jumping out of the way?

 

His passive is more like Manntreads / Market Gardener than it is Ground Pound.  Landing on top of people is already hard enough as is in TF2, doubt it will be happening much in Quake.

 

Shadow-walk is still complete bullshit though.

 

Really, that's why this character doesn't bother me too much. Seems like he would be worthless for anyone who isn't a massive noob. So easy to dodge some idiot charging at a moderate pace in a straight line and his base movement looks to be among the worst. Maybe that kind of thing will help to reduce the pool of actually viable characters for people with functional hands? Still dumb, though.

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I still haven't received a key :'(

 

It sounds like the nailgun works a lot like the plasma gun minus plasma climb. Is this accurate?

 

Also sounds like there is random spread on the heavy machine gun, which is what theu did for the HMG in QL.

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I still haven't received a key :'(

 

It sounds like the nailgun works a lot like the plasma gun minus plasma climb. Is this accurate?

 

Also sounds like there is random spread on the heavy machine gun, which is what theu did for the HMG in QL.

Nope. It sucks.

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I still haven't received a key :'(

 

It sounds like the nailgun works a lot like the plasma gun minus plasma climb. Is this accurate?

 

Also sounds like there is random spread on the heavy machine gun, which is what theu did for the HMG in QL.

 

 I'll miss the plasma gun, it has it's place, anyone that's got caught badly by me at a CA start and gone down in a second or two to 35-40% knows that  :tongue:

 
I did hear that you can hop and climb with the nailgun as you could with plasma though, but I will miss my blue balls of doom it was one of the most used weapons in Q3A :tear: The nailgun has that darker original Quake vibe going for it tho.
 

I'm assuming the nail-gun doesn't have any splash damage however, so it's not quite the same, and that would make it a bit odd if a plasma gun replacement model/skin happened as would otherwise seem fairly likely (as there's the QW and QC(Q3?) rl in there for sure, QC and Q2(ET:QW) Rail, QC and Q4 LG)

 

On another note; I hate the look of the new rail gun, I want a pretty rail gun with pretty rails. Right now it looks like some generic bio rifle. Game is looking good though, community has gotten noticeably less acidic since the trailer reveal which is no small feat.

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