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Don't get the hate for commonly. Lunchbox is the weak link, not commonly.

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I'm honestly glad EG and CLG didn't meet in the finals. That series wasn't fun to watch. I would rather watch a great, intense series, than watch a team get embarrassed. 

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Does anyone really think CLG can lose to ALG? I want Naded to win but its gonna be a damn hard series.

 

Also, People saying lunchbox is the weak link? He literally won the Xgames tourney for EG.

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When are we going to find out the future of Halo? Will they announce anything tonight?

There will be an announcement today.

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out of curiosity (since I couldn't watch live yesterday night) what were the peak and average viewer numbers? thanks in advance  :ghost:

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Does anyone really think CLG can lose to ALG? I want Naded to win but its gonna be a damn hard series.

 

Did anyone think RNG would beat EG? Nope.

 

I believe naded and friends can do it.

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out of curiosity (since I couldn't watch live yesterday night) what were the peak and average viewer numbers? thanks in advance  :ghost:

I think it got up to 34-35k usually when I looked it was at 30k

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The HWC armours and emblem are showing up in REQ collections.

 

:simms:  :simms:  :simms:  :simms:  :simms:

 

Not long now.

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So Roy, Snipedown, Ola, Heinz? I hate to be that guy, but I'm going to have to see Ola play at a high level before I give him the benefit of the doubt in H5.

Yeah but I was just saying that that team would be better than an Instinct reunion imo. I completely agree with you on Ola and I don't think they would be better than CLG or even necessarily better than the current EG squad. Basically just saying that Snipedown/Heinz > 2gre/Lunch in H5.

 

If Lunch does retire though, I'd like to see Commonly take over his role then add in a slayer like Spartan, Suspector, or Ace. But if EG are set on dropping Commonly(which I hope they aren't because he's not the reason for their under performance) then Heinz would be for sure the player that I'd like to see replace Lunch. 

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I'm honestly glad EG and CLG didn't meet in the finals. That series wasn't fun to watch. I would rather watch a great, intense series, than watch a team get embarrassed. 

There's a good chance you're going to see CLG embarrass another team tonight.  

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Random pools with random brackets isn't earning your place. Elevate and Denial played significantly easier teams to place top 4 than EG who had to face both RNG and Allegiance with no chance at redemption.

 

Liquid lost a total of 3 maps at Worlds. But they earned only top 8? It's ok to have a balance between thinking some teams earned their place and some got fucked over.

 

I neg repped you for this because you contradicted yourself.

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My opinion on EG, as someone who has spent the last 2 months carefully watching and breaking down as much top-level Halo as I can:

 

XGames was a bit of a fluke.

 

Whoa, Audley, you can't come in here and talk bad about EG like that.  What are you thinking?  Hang on.  I'm not saying it was a fluke because I don't think EG have the potential to be a dominant force in Halo even with their exact roster they have right now.  That's not it at all.

 

The reason I say XGames was a fluke for EG is because it is the only time they have employed the playstyle they used in the finals vs CLG while playing Halo 5.

 

When they met CLG in group play at XGames, EG were trying to play their standard spread out and slowly apply map pressure game.  CLG destroyed them.  3-0.  No sweat.  It honestly wasn't even a series.

 

But then they went back to their room that night.  They were all in the condo.  Just talking, discussing Halo.  CLG were relaxing kicking back, pretty sure they were going to win a Gold medal, because they looked to be so far ahead of EG.  But the next day, a completely different EG showed up.  It wasn't the "Let's play Standard Halo and win by methodical gameplay."  It was an EG that held forward, relying on their small talk to clean up kills while they just put extreme pressure everywhere on the map any time they saw something move.  It was... berserker EG.  And it worked.  EG came home with a 4-3 victory and a gold medal.

 

And then after XGames...  When we saw them compete at NA Regionals... They had regressed to being the same, standard, boring EG from before.  Whatever it was that possessed them in the XGames finals had vanished.  They were no longer playing their hardcore aggression.  They were the team that would sit on 2-caps in Plaza/Rig Strongholds despite the fact that everyone else had started to go for 3 Caps.  They were the team that thought one set-up could win a game, rather than a team that felt swarming and speed were the way to play.  They remained behind the meta.  And they got 4-0'd by CLG again.

 

Here at Worlds, we saw the exact same thing.  EG remained steadfast in their ways, while everyone else was playing just a notch faster.  And it cost them.  Cost them dearly.

 

It's not a player that is holding EG back.  It is their entire team.  They're behind the times, still playing older Halos when we're in a completely different game.  We're in Halo 5.

 

If EG had played every single series the way they played the XGames finals, they probably would've gotten first in their group, which would've put them vs Allegiance in Quarterfinals.  Which would've put them in the "easy route" to the grand finals versus CLG.

 

And we wouldn't be talking about how shit the format was.  Because our CLG vs EG storyline would be complete.

 

But EG didn't adapt.  And they got left in the Quarterfinals dust.

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Do the finals not start until 7pm EST?? That's 11pm for me. I think (UK).

 

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My opinion on EG, as someone who has spent the last 2 months carefully watching and breaking down as much top-level Halo as I can:

 

XGames was a bit of a fluke.

 

Whoa, Audley, you can't come in here and talk bad about EG like that. What are you thinking? Hang on. I'm not saying it was a fluke because I don't think EG have the potential to be a dominant force in Halo even with their exact roster they have right now. That's not it at all.

 

The reason I say XGames was a fluke for EG is because it is the only time they have employed the playstyle they used in the finals vs CLG while playing Halo 5.

 

When they met CLG in group play at XGames, EG were trying to play their standard spread out and slowly apply map pressure game. CLG destroyed them. 3-0. No sweat. It honestly wasn't even a series.

 

But then they went back to their room that night. They were all in the condo. Just talking, discussing Halo. CLG were relaxing kicking back, pretty sure they were going to win a Gold medal, because they looked to be so far ahead of EG. But the next day, a completely different EG showed up. It wasn't the "Let's play Standard Halo and win by methodical gameplay." It was an EG that held forward, relying on their small talk to clean up kills while they just put extreme pressure everywhere on the map any time they saw something move. It was... berserker EG. And it worked. EG came home with a 4-3 victory and a gold medal.

 

And then after XGames... When we saw them compete at NA Regionals... They had regressed to being the same, standard, boring EG from before. Whatever it was that possessed them in the XGames finals had vanished. They were no longer playing their hardcore aggression. They were the team that would sit on 2-caps in Plaza/Rig Strongholds despite the fact that everyone else had started to go for 3 Caps. They were the team that thought one set-up could win a game, rather than a team that felt swarming and speed were the way to play. They remained behind the meta. And they got 4-0'd by CLG again.

 

Here at Worlds, we saw the exact same thing. EG remained steadfast in their ways, while everyone else was playing just a notch faster. And it cost them. Cost them dearly.

 

It's not a player that is holding EG back. It is their entire team. They're behind the times, still playing older Halos when we're in a completely different game. We're in Halo 5.

 

If EG had played every single series the way they played the XGames finals, they probably would've gotten first in their group, which would've put them vs Allegiance in Quarterfinals. Which would've put them in the "easy route" to the grand finals versus CLG.

 

And we wouldn't be talking about how shit the format was. Because our CLG vs EG storyline would be complete.

 

But EG didn't adapt. And they got left in the Quarterfinals dust.

I don't disagre that they haven't played how they should have, but I don't think they can become a dominant force with this roster. The Hamy-Lunch combo just isn't working, and I don't know who's at fault out of both, but unless something drastic happens before Pro League they won't succeed even if they play like X-Games. I do agree that Berserker playstyle is necessary in this game which is why I think Denial and Elevate do so well for being so young and inexperienced.

 

Also, do you think they'll start the rostermania after Worlds or will they try to work it out first?

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How is a top 2-3 team "behind the meta"? And not "adapted"?

 

They get beat by CLG like everybody else does. They lost to RNG because RNG showed up and EG didn't show up, simple.

 

Their play style clearly works, just not against CLG. There's no overarching fundamental flaw, they just don't match well with CLG.

 

But then again, who does?

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I'm honestly glad EG and CLG didn't meet in the finals. That series wasn't fun to watch. I would rather watch a great, intense series, than watch a team get embarrassed. 

 

Youre still gonna watch a team get embarrassed. 

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Contra and Penguin have to team together again because that combo has the slaying power of Jesus himself.

 

(Plus there would be so many ninjas :))

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But then again, who does?

 

Denial's got a 33% win rate vs CLG on LAN.

 

No one else has above 25%. (Epsilon, eLevate are both 25%, EG is 23.5%)

Everyone else is 0% or haven't played CLG.

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I don't know how we as a group, can honestly say that the top 4 placing teams this weekend aren't the best 4 teams from THIS weekend.

 

CLG is obviously a top 2 team

 

ALG beat RNG who beat EG.  They are playing amazing Halo this weekend.

 

Denial is clearly a very skilled team, I don't think any of the other lower placing teams could beat them with the way they played this weekend.

 

eLevate is SO dangerous and to say that they weren't a top 4 team this weekend is a disservice.

 

 

Outside of those 4 I can't honestly say that with the way the rest of the teams played that they could beat either of these 4 THIS weekend.  THIS weekend is what matters most, not what happened the rest of the season.  Everyone knew the format going in, they all understood that to make the $$$ they were going to have to play their best Halo at the MOST important times and outside of the top 4 none of them did.  I was really pulling for Liquid to make top 4 but in game 5 when they grabbed snipe AND os, then preceeded to not get a kill, showed me that they weren't a top 4 team.

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