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Warlord Wossman

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  1. I buy the "new engine" talk when it gets confirmed by non 343 people. Chances for Halo Sprintfinite being good are super slim anyways.
  2. Sounds like 343 to me, now rush out the other ports until infinite is launching in a half assed state. With all the brainlets that buy anything with "HALO" printed on it it's probably the right thing to do, who needs quality if you have hype?
  3. I am glad their screenshots have a stable framerate, knowing them this is a step into the right direction.
  4. How does that even work? If a To1 can not match any To3s how do you fill up 4 players on a team for a 4v4 playlist? What you are saying just doesn't work out at all.
  5. The atriums are almost all very flat and streched out which is kind of boring for combat and the flow is very circular since the middle is a bit of a deathtrap with good players so you are left with 2 directions to go...
  6. Extremely efficient in making small files. Extremely inefficient in making maps. I would prefer something decent and just downloading a few hundred Mb from the workshop every now and then over being able to celebrate that map versions are 30kb, it's 2020 and you can buy a 1Tb SSD for 100 bucks. Your argument with asset locations can still apply tho, nobody said a full editor cannot make use of assets available to the client already and honestly having more and more assets tied to the base game means you are giving up that space anyways since you downloaded them even if no map uses them at all. Honestly with an editor like the one in Reflex Arena it's way easier to change things than with forge since you can no clip through walls, have group select and the brushes are just 3D objects everybody can edit. You don't seem to realize that some editors being inconvenient means all full editors have to be more inconvenient than forge - I would say it's the other way around even. You can easily have a tag system to have n weapon layouts saved on the same map file, even slightly different geometry can be loaded based on the gametype, all this stuff is fairly basic and not something that is somehow exclusive to forge. The editors you might be thinking about are used by game devs that finish maps and know they don't have to be easy to modify later on, but there is no reason to believe you cannot just make an editor that has easy modifying etc. build into it... What else than a set of numbers would any download be? Again keeping it down to kilobytes shouldn't be the main focus in a 2020 shooter that probably takes up around 100 Gb on your hard drive anyways. If megabyte sized maps make you struggle you probably should have invested into another hard drive and not a Halo game. And while UE is a good editor I think that shouldn't be the gold standard to compare to for forge. Yeah give us scaling, undo/redo, no clip, no object limitations etc. but something like the ability to spawn custom brushes and being able to texture them would be way better than having to tetris any structure from predetermined blocks. In UE that is possible but would mean it's hard to edit for other people afterwards, or maybe not that intuitive I should say. Being able to jump in and out of the game is def good to quickly test what you are doing but sadly H5 didn't allow that with customized movement values which made it a total pain in the ass to test maps designed about non default movement physics. I think they should work towards something that is a compromise between accessable and powerful while keeping things easy to modify for anybody that would open the map in the editor again. It might need some more changes than you all are suggesting but there is no reason it should be out of reach for a studio their size.
  7. You are missing the point here, why make a weird and janky map editor when small indie games have shown that it's not hard to ship something better than that, I bought Reflex Arena for 10 bucks on steam and it has a better level editor than forge despite the studio only having a single programmer and the game barely having any sales compared to Halo. You act like I make an unfair comparison by mentioning phones vs. PCs and houses vs. mansions but realistically 343 has way more than a single programmer and charges 60 bucks for their game, not 10. Kinda easy to see how it's more fair to compare what we get in Halo Sprintfinite to the regular (and probably smaller than 343) PC title than your examples are. I know big game franchises usually don't do that stuff because people buy anyways but at least Halo doesn't have to fear lower sales handing out a level editor since they don't have a 1 year release cycle like CoD. Call it unnecessarily negative but I think moving on to better level editors could be quite big for Halo since you would see a lot more user created content that can keep the game relevant, and with a good server browser it can make people stick around rather than moving on to the newest hype. You could argue for a relatively close to H5 forge that is free with the normal game and easier/more intuitive to use if you are worried about accessability (still need some basic shit like undo/redo and a lot more ofc) and seperate a more advanced level editor with proper terrain tools as a DLC. But since Halo has always been a game people buy for the name anyways and the percentage of players that actually use forge for more than being silly with friends is very low we will probably not see anything like that. I said if you have a map editor give us a decent map editor, nothing more. You can drown every criticism in those meme-like lists saying "but other things could also be improved and if you add all of them up it's not realistic anymore", and nobody ever said that. If you think Halo entering the PC realm doesn't justify asking for a better editor than H5 forge then you most likely just don't care or have not used forge / other level editors enough to see how big the gap in between really is. "You can't put something down by holding it to a higher standard," - Nice logic, I guess we can never criticise anything anymore since we can't compare to other standards. Sure after your listing it might sound reasonable to say that to you but you forget that I was talking about a level editor that already is a feature where you brought up examples nobody asked for and nobody thinks would be realistic. "Forge is good for what it is, to build arena maps" - Not really, I mean if you only ever used Halo forge H5 is the best I guess BUT pretty much EVERY tool in the industry to build arena maps is better than forge, including tools like trenchbroom 2 for the original Quake which is a game from 1996. And I would say it's fair to compare a game like Halo to that given that they have more budget and manpower and already subscribed to having a map editor in their game. With your logic I could have said "well Reach forge is already way better than Halo 3 forge, you can build arena maps so it does what it is good for" and just like that H5 forge would have never been a thing. And trust me I am criticizing Halo 5 for more than just forge, but defending it against better level editors way smaller studios have created seems not that reasonable. I would assume both of you 2 have not actually invested time into making maps, doesn't mean you cannot talk about it but I think it's time to bust out of this "best forge ever" circlejerk and compare to realistic industry standards instead. @Snipe Three yes.
  8. You cannot launch H5 forge with custom movement values which used to be a thing in prior titles and it is super annoying. Also the lighting is way too bright on some maps. If they fix that and get some basic things like undo/redo going it could be okay-ish I guess.
  9. Compared to most PC editors it's closer to a joke than amazing.
  10. Imagine going afk in a warmup gametype, only the best of the best never have to take a break and can deliver 24/7.
  11. Halo 2 and 3 have even more of a Mario Party vibe than CE, so if you like that I could see how you say it's more fun for goofing around. Personally have not played that much CE but I never felt like the skillgap was as giant as people claim, maybe that's more of a console perspective people hold tho. Having played a ton of Quake 3 / Live and even CPM just casually with friends I can't say getting stomped spoils the fun for me, can always call ggs and move to the next map or if it gets too bad just play some FFA or CTF with 8 people and make teams as fair as possible. I honestly find it more annoying to die to "bullshit" weapons in Halo like the needler because that gun basically aims for itself and has way too much damage in the later titles. Think that stuff gets old quickly because you know they put it in the game so people who refuse to use the sticks can get kills, not that it really makes me mad but I just can't stand gimmicks as much as a solid shooter experience. Guess that's why I would take CE for social fun over the other Halos any day. Not too sure about that, I guess it depends if the people you play with get frustrated by losing or not. But I think I can see what you mean, I would say in 2v2s it can be hard to balance teams out so you get even games, should be easier with bigger teams. Honestly just dislike how most modern shooters are watered down to even out the playing field these days - it feels too artificial I guess. And to me it feels better to get destroyed in a game I like than being able to get even games in some janky H3 setting with ghosts and bubbleshields, hard to explain.
  12. You are speaking about existing map examples, might as well name them instead of postulating certain things to be true for all maps that are (a)symmetrical. Control and routes depend much more on the geometry of the map itself than this one symmetry condition, Don't take these discussions so personal btw, I have never said I am always right, I am just not a fan of over generalizing things esp. maps since I have been into level design for over 5 years now.
  13. I like how you can judge how well you can control entire maps by only that one symmetry condition. Sometimes I really wonder if you read your messages before posting.
  14. It entirely depends how strong the in control areas are, literally has nothing to do with symmetrical or asymmetrical. This "symmetrical because balance" argument can be applied to CTF or Bomb since those are symmetrical gametypes but beyond that it's just something MLG console kids have been repeating and nobody outside of the Halo community actually believes in. Let me guess - only symmetrical maps are balanced and competitive because "the initial spawns are unfair otherwise"?
  15. Not really, people just gotten used to symmetrical "I spawn in your face" type of maps like Sanctuary and think that's everything that should exist. But tbf the TDM gametype aka "slayer" has been treated like shit for a good while now so I guess I can't blame people too much. Hot take: With proper settings and item layout Penance in Reach works better than Sanctuary slayer does. Now downvote my post and rant on twitter how the next Halo game def needs a Pit and Midship remake.
  16. What do you guys mean? I have a screenshot of going +60 in BTB, doesn't that mean every map I forge is better, every meal I eat is tastier, every opinion I hold is worth more? Of course you all would disagree, but your opinions are invalid because on the battlefield you are falling like ants. You don't even have max rank in HCS, THE competitive playlist people play for money. Keep crouching around with shotguns in ranked Mythic and try to get close to my K/D, pathetic weekend warriors.
  17. I honestly didn't say a lot of stuff twice in my post, could probably cut it down to 75% of the length while keeping the amount of information but you would still be bitching about it. My message is long because it comes with too much content for just a few lines, as easy as that. Maybe you should start taking those minutes to read the posts tho, wouldn't hurt your understanding of the topic and maybe you would start to second guess if all the details are really that insignificant. There are a lot of design questions that go into making a game and maps for it which will effect settings so it's not only pointless details. The time some people here spend to complain about long messages could have just been used to actually read them. Like you don't have to read them but this way you just wasted your and my time with this pointless argument.
  18. You can't always put everything in 2 or 3 lines. Also you don't have to read stuff others posted, but I can't see what the point of being on a forum is if anything beyond 2 paragraphs is too much. There are plenty of reddits or facebook groups where all you get are dumb 1 liners, memes or people forming a bandwagon instead of holding their own opinion, if you cannot read any post that takes more than 15 seconds of time that's on you.
  19. I never talked about "new" experiences, I said that the goal of a map pool is to bring different stuff to the table for each map entry, otherwise there is no reason to provide multiple maps to begin with. The fact that you constantly bring up the word competitive should get you thinking that it requires more skills and strats to be able to beat teams consistently on maps that play differently, so in a way the map pool and gametypes can ensure that the better teams have to be able to adapt to more than a single gametype on a single map which would be rather trivial. Well you got what I meant, there are 8 players in a 4v4, you don't need to enlighten me that the size of each team is 4 people in that case. Idk why you declare 3 or 4 players holding power weapons as ridiculous, this again to me sounds like you have a problem with people having a stronger weapon than the one you spawn with which is the nature of the game, if the weapons were weak there would be no reasons to control them and thus a team wouldn't have to move around the map since you can effectively ignore stuff that doesn't give a major advantage over using the gun you spawned with. I can recommend looking into shooters with no items spawning on the map if it's such a big problem for you that people don't shoot each other with the guns they spawned with, it might be hard to find one with longer times to kill but many games with items spawning on the map (arena shooters) and games like Halo which are effectively a hybrid of AFPS and CoD-type game with passive health regen like to give the items that spawn on the map some advantage and value to create a control aspect which rewards movement around the map over sitting around / camping. That is also the reason that many AFPS and Halo have TDM (team deathmatch) aka slayer played in their competitive settings because that mentioned dynamic of controlling items that spawn on the map which have a certain significance on the outcome of the game prevent the sort of camping you would get in CoD, CS, R6S etc. if your main objective was set to only getting kills. No, just because HCS is the format played for money doesn't mean their settings ensure the most potential for competitive. It's pretty easy to show why with a little logic and a contradiction: If I hosted a Fiesta tournament for 10 million dollars somebody could come along with your reasoning and say "oh look that is what they play in this tournament for a lot of money, surely those settings were carefully chosen with all the money on the line". I get that you personally like what they did with HCS or could see their reasoning for doing something but at the end of the day esports are often used to keep a game relevant and gain viewers on streaming platforms, it's more about promotion than crafting the perfect environment for people to compete against each other with the most skillful and fair settings. Remember the Halo 4 FFA/1v1 worldcup? I don't think H4 BR 1v1s on Skyline with 1 concussion rifle in the middle are what many people would call ideal and yet it was taken seriously and has been played by all the pro players because they did just throw a ton of money onto it. Again the one map one gun comment "if that's what's competitive" doesn't make a lot of sense, a lot of potential in competitive shooters besides the aim (which - let's be honest - doesn't really exist in console Halo in a way that creates a big skillgap) comes from decision making, when to have the right gun out, what angle to watch/hold, what routes to take. A lot of this stuff would get lost in a game with only a single map and gun. I am aware you can't truely messure the competitiveness of a game in an objective unit but if you take Halo and strip away most of the guns and maps you would most likely end up with a much more bland version of it based on the lack of complexity alone. Not saying every needler or sword effectively adds to the depth of the game since some are - as you said - not very viable in a competitive environment and purely exist to satisfy people that play campaign or the Mario Party sort of gametypes in matchmaking but most people would agree that under the line there is more to think about, more potential for strats and decisions in a game with a proper map pool and a variety of guns to control and apply in the right situation. Ironically your comment "competitive isn't for everyone" works both ways as you seem to project your opinions as a player onto what is considered "competitive" more so than trying to view it from a more theoretical viewpoint where it's more about considering consistency, the impact of rng etc. than how the game makes you feel if you fell off the map on Lockout... I already answered the last part of your message essentially but again it involves a dynamic where you have to give up positioning to control items which in turn gives the out of control team a chance to contest map and/or item control. Generally camping is not considered fun by most players in the gaming community and that is also why you don't see a TDM tournament in CS. Don't want to sound rude here but if you cannot wrap your head around a design decision / mechanic this essential to the game series I wonder why you argue so much about it. I am not saying it's impossible to make a good game without that mechanic but it's part of the games identity and has been for nearly 2 decades now... To me it honestly just sounds like Halo isn't really the right game for you, ofc I can't make that decision but that's what comes to mind when i read your posts a lot of the time. That said I have not played a lot of H5 and since that seems to be your prefered title I could be missing something you consider Halo by playing that game a lot but I think it's fair to say that the legacy of the series and its design decision can outweight most of the things in Halo 5 purely based on the fact that more games released with design decisions mentioned through my post (keep in mind I am not even a fan of most of those games, I purely base it on the number of releases rather than personal preference).
  20. First: Because they influence movement and positioning, the goal of a map pool is to offer different experiences with each map. Some gametypes played in "competitive" Halo also relied on that in the past, mainly oddball. Second: 3 power weapons per map is not something I would call "so many" with 8 players in mind, sure the sword isn't my fav thing to appear on any map but using HCS decisions for your reasoning is just as off I would say. From the limited time I saw you commenting on maps and settings I feel like you would enjoy sprinting/thrusting around on a map pool made up of 7 midship remixes and non of them should have power weapons that are any stronger than the pistol you spawn with. Feel free to correct me if I got that wrong but to me that does sound pretty boring no matter how fair or "competitive" it appears to be.
  21. I would rather return to the classic movement and get the weapons right for once instead of adding more spartan-dude-bro abilities tbh.
  22. @TheIcePrincess no matter what happened or didn't, you complaining about anybody with the team role on the discord, Hard Way or Basu or me, it doesn't do anything either. It happened the way it did and if we just keep discussing about it that won't fix the settings. I think it would be about time to stop discussing what people wanted and/or expected and move on.
  23. I think at this stage the shared discord is the best option, splitting it up now is just gonna leave more people behind. It being on the same discord shouldn't be a problem at all, that is what the roles are for after all. We just need people interested in playing, we can try to get xbox lobbies this weekend, would personally like to hear from Hard Way, guess if he is still interested he must have been pretty busy...

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