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  1. Not sure how to respond to this last paragraph....but I'm your huckleberry.


    I don't recall what audio issues happened at Xgames, but keep in mind we were in a tent on a ply wood floor on the side of a mountain...all literal statements. If we had minor issues, well I believe we did our best to fix them as fast as possible. For NA regionals, we swapped out one audio partners mix amp product for another. No excuses, the product wasn't up to par and we swapped it...after overnighting in the gear. With gears, we should have made the floor plan tighter, not a screw up, just not optimized. Lastly, COD is not throwing money at event budgets, what you see in ATL and Dallas is on a shoe string budget that I guarantee no one else could match penny for penny in the industry for what we squeeze out.


    In conclusion, after 15 years why do we still mess up? Because for starters no one is perfect, events are mercurial, and still to this day no one in the industry (aside maybe riot) is applying TV quality budget to these projects to avoid bumps along the way. In Dallas we had 26 matches happening simultaneously while producing a main stage for thousands of fans while streaming to fans at home while managing a million other things.


    Simply put, this is not easy.


    Well thank you for response. I'm sure you will get millions of upvotes. I also thank you sincerely for answering. It's taken a long time for an actual answer (not aiming my crosshairs at you, people like to talk for you on here). However, you still seem to have a plethora of problems when running events. However small these might be, you still seem to have them and you consider yourself an industry veteran. The Halo audio problems, CoD ATL had stream quality issues and bad floor plans that honestly looked like an empty hall with 3 rows. 


    I just can't fathom how these small problems still exsist. If you have 15+ years of experience, this should be sorted in the first 5, nevermind 10. A lot of other TOs have caught up. Riot is doing an amazing job. CS:GO is also catching up with events like Poland. The problem is, ESL is also working on a shoestring budget. They need to pick their quality up just as much. I am not happy with how things are going but you have had just as many problems as them. I just don't see how you can bring anything different. You were given chances. Also, you were offered H2A as you said but chose not to do it because of the shoestring budget yet ESL could pull it off. It's all a bit contradictory. They took an initial risk and they should be rewarded.


    you will probably disagree with me saying but now H5 has backing and funding, MLG is calling. You didn't help us when we needed you. You cheered on that last event. The video is chilling. ESL took the risk. Let them have it, I say. If you weren't willing to do the best on the budget you were offered and ESL was, I can't see how you offer more. 


    Thanks for the discussion. 

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  2. Bell curve of engagement based on time watched doesn't matter. Stats to consider is average time watched, uniques, and for the ego maniacs out there...peak concurrent (most useless stat in the world). Gears does very well with the key KPIs


    There are so many variables you seem to be missing. If you have Optic start a day, which I have seen multiple TOs use as a marketing ploy, people will stay after since they have already been introduced to the game mechanics via supporting a team regardless of what game is playing.


    An overwhelming amount of the 2Ks  have Optic playing first and people stay after "since they only have 2-3 games to go until the night is finished, I might as well stay". 


    It sounds ridiculous to forum members but I'm sure you understand and consider these variables. It's why MLG has Optic play first and late a night usually in tournament play.


    With that said, now I see you replying. I've been on here asking for replies to these questions for a while now but nobody can seem to answer. You seem a little agitated that ESL was given the contract. They fuck up and I can't wait to rub what Timo said to me a couple of months ago in his face on Monday when it's finished. However, you were given 2 chances with Halo 5: X-Games had audio issues. National Qualifier had Audio and Headset issues that you had to next day Astros. I've watched what you have done for CoD. It's great but right now, Activision is throwing buckets full of money at CoD in the hopes of it sticking. You are doing great things with this but you were given chances and you also screwed up. You also admitted to screwing up GoW before, so since you have 10+ years of doing this. Why are you still messing up and what could you bring to Halo that ESL couldn't if they picked their pants up for once?

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  3. okay well our HWC 1k qualifiers averaged a 2.2k peak


    and their 2k just hit 20k peak


    You seem to be a very good statistician so let me ask you this.

    GoW 2K: 3 games, 1 of those games is Optic which brings in viewers. Short amount of total stream time.

    Halo Pro League (Not amateur qualification): Streams for a total of 3 hours+, 4 games, multiple teams.


    Now, does it pass your head that maybe the numbers are skewered? The averages for Gears would be bigger since the numbers/time would be larger than our numbers/time since we stream longer and have teams people aren't interested in and drop out.




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  4. GoW AC next week is going to make this event look like shit


    and their fight night peaked higher than any pro league night


    you are really going to pit pro league numbers with tournament numbers? lol?


    If so, CoD world league in BO3 averaged 15K. We aren't that far behind.

    At least try and make some correlation. Also, the 2nd event was god awful in terms of production. Look at how empty it was. Congrats on blowing it out the water next week though. 

  5. What else should we compare it to, the venue looks comparable to my high school disco


    Easy, lets compare it to other EXCLUSIVE console esport shooters. We are the best. Highest viewership. Highest event turnout. Again, I know everyone here loves MLG but the 2nd Gears event ran by them, they actually removed seating and it was a massive empty hall with a main stage and about 2 rows of seats around it. 


    I don't deny that quality should be better for a World Final but don't compare us to CoD. Just like you wouldn't with CoD to CS:GO because CS would absolutely decimate them 

  6. I did, it showed up on the side and it felt sleezy once I connected how they got those numbers.


    Why am I comparing two FPS shooters that have Sony and Microsoft behind each title? Is it really that hard to understand - would CSGO be easier since it's only on PC? Cmon man :lxthul:


    Brother are you actually reading what you put? 


    Halo: Console Exclusive. 3rd biggest platform. Not even top 5 played game on the console.

    CoD: Multiplatform. $4 000 000. On the BIGGEST console platform where it's top game on both consoles. Biggest entertainment franchise. 

    CS:GO: The biggest platform and currently one of the highest played and watched games on Steam and Twitch. MILLIONS in prizes each season. 


    Seriously, how do you relate any of these besides "hurr durr it's an FPS"?....

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  7. I'll take real viewers over people that are wondering why their twitter feed has a video game on their page.


    It isn't negative, it's the reality of the situation.


    Have you actually tuned into the Twitter stream? It's actually brought new viewers in. If we have to inflate numbers to bring people in, then so be it. It's how you grow an audience. Get it out as much as possible, anywhere. Is it morally wrong to include the numbers? Up to who you are talking.


    Never answered my question as to why you are referencing CoD,  a multi platform, $4 000 000 pool, biggest entertainment franchise event photos with Halo, a console exclusive on the 3rd biggest platform that's not even in the top 5 played games. Just interested.... 

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  8. They are skewed though, while I'm happy to have this big viewership it's really artificial and somewhat dishonest. Twitch is the real indicator at the end of the day.

    Exactly, you can't please anyone around here. Would you rather have inflated numbers that get people watching even though they are factually providing the truth or would you like the average viewership without Optic gaming because let's face it, it's basically the same. Since they watch one team and dip.


    What you fail to understand is Halo has the biggest viewership for ANY console exclusive on any console platform. Yet you keep bringing up MLG pics of CoD that is multiplatform and the biggest entertainment franchise? 



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  9. Don't you just love it when forum people complain about viewership? 

    "These figures are fake"

    "Bet with Twitter is at 2 million now"
    "No idea where they are getting this figure from"

    LMAO you people are ridiculous. It's all jokes with you. It's literally been on the side of my Twitter all weekend. Even people who know me are telling me about it. Considering the average concurrent users of Twitter is anywhere from 50 000+ minimum, it's really not far-fetched. Yet, you aren't even thankful for that even though I've seen a few new people tune in from the Twitter stream. 

    It's okay though, we'll just let forum shit posters create narratives that make us look equally as bad and professional players get salty because they came 5th/6th


    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 

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  10. Don't you just love it when people post videos about MLG crowds literally cheering for their games to be kept on a circuit only to be misconstrued as that was the crowd each event? No?


    How about referencing an MLG event from the biggest selling entertainment franchise of all time that is multiplatform, top played console game, available on the current biggest console base and has 4000000 prize pool?


    I sure do love it :D 

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  11. Ok, so you were talking out of your ass then. Business as usual, back to the memes.


    If I don't work for the company and they don't release data, how can I reference? I will be more than happy to link you every amateur bracket (WHICH IS PUBLICLY AVAILBLE) and watch as your tempter tantrum ends one statistic at a time as you figure out that no, East Coast and MLG can't save Halo.

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  12. Nah man, Formal is from the West Coast is why we are now the home of it when he hasn't played in a Halo event for 3 years now.


    The whole "West Coast Halo" crap is artificial and done by 343i/ESL with their terrible event location planning. I can't tell if they hate flying across the country or forgot there is an East Coast - but it's been crap for a few years now.




    I think your whole "compare these midwest events  vs.  these west coast events" point is riddled with holes. For starters, when seeing where your community actually is centralized you should really only be comparing West Coast OPEN EVENTS   vs.  Midwest OPEN EVENTS.  Throwing Worlds and other "Finals" events that arent open to the public to compete, is going to skew the data as these events always have escalated viewership due to them being "Championships" - generally with outside promotion (Microsoft, Xbox, Dashboard etc.) which isnt going to provide an accurate depiction of the core "day-to-day" fan-base.


    Just off the top of my head, eSports Arena had like 22 teams for a SANCTIONED OPEN EVENT on the west coast, and UGC had around double for a NON SANCTIONED EVENT in the Midwest (If I recall correctly).


    I was referencing the sarcasm that west coast could never be home to Halo. Secondly, never mentioned any viewership numbers. Thirdly, was referencing professional events sanctioned or not and the reason for them being on West Coast is that they have the resources already there (ESL and 343) and the grass roots is already bigger than the East now (Referencing the new breed of talent).

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  13. I'm referring to this:



    Please link some proof.




    In regard to Pro Player living locations - ESL and the HCS could care less where the players are coming from, that has no pull on where the events will be held.


    As I mentioned, I typed it all out. I have no actual hard fact data numbers besides brackets from amateur teams. The new home of Halo is West Coast. East Vs West, amateur teams normally compete at a minimum of 25% more when the LAN in on the west coast. That is a minimum. Along with the huge influx of west coast/mid players, the hard to disqualify that the west is the new home of Halo but you all won't listen because because because Dr Pepper and Hot Pockets god damn it!

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  14. Can you show me any kind of proof for this? You tell me to use statistics but don't link any sources.


    I literally just backed up my claim by typing out events in the past 2 years comparing them from East and West, along with the widest selection of grass root talent in Halo right now. I actually had trouble finding someone who entered the top 8 team from East Coast so let me help you:


    West Coast who have entered top 8 teams in the past 2 years: Shotzzy, Commonly, Falcated, Huke, Stellur, Frosty, Renegade, Shooter, Tripppey, Rayne, Penguin (North West)

    Mid: Cratos, Eco, Bubu, Suspector

    East Coast Players: El Town


    I have now backed up my claim.

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  15. Nah man, Formal is from the West Coast is why we are now the home of it when he hasn't played in a Halo event for 3 years now.


    The whole "West Coast Halo" crap is artificial and done by 343i/ESL with their terrible event location planning. I can't tell if they hate flying across the country or forgot there is an East Coast - but it's been crap for a few years now.


    Yes and the illuminate is real. "artificial"? This isn't some government conspiracy. It's Halo. In two years, 60% of Halo events have been mid/east coast and they have had less than spectacular participation numbers. Yet every West coast tournament brings in bigger number of teams participating from grass roots. If a TO would like to verify this information, please jump in. (East Coast: St.Louis x 3, Indianapolis, Atlanta, Columbus, Regionals, PAX) vs (Season Finals, Worlds, Vegas and Orange County). Please use statistics and data to back up your claims. Also additional West players are: Claim, Falcated, Shotzzy, Stellur, Huke... So you were saying?  


    I didnt read after this, but I am assuming you are with Dexerto?


    Didn't read so you resort to disrespect and insults, the same reason I got banned for? Interesting.

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  16. for the people arguing against it, what do we have to lose by giving the TO that grew the game a chance? esl has given us burbank and 10 people listen-ins. we have the same issues every land. at the minimum, mlg can run a clean event  and bring in a crowd for events. they also know the world outside of califfornia. plus, they communicate. there is literally nothing to lose, and there is no good argument against mlg running a season or 2


    Had 2 events both with technical issues. I don't hate MLG but they are not special. I don't know how many times I have to say this. They can't bring crowds in. If they could, Gears would be on the rise. Second event, they REMOVED chairs from the venue. They host tournaments, not create communities.






    Yes, please reply with a picture from 2016 showing what the average attendance to Halo is compared to 2009(?) where there was a peak of 1 000 000 players online. It's a very fair representation. If you can't fill Burbank why try to fill a concert hall?


    Edit: #clueless

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    Unfortunately I have to go to work in an hour but I'll see what I can reply with. First of all, this isn't 2004. Halo is not limited to being prominent east coast anymore. Frosty, Commonly, Shooter, Formal (when he competed) and more that I can't remember are from West. As much as you like to again, reminisce about "the home of Halo back in 2004", the new home is West coast. I'm from England and I can even see that. If a company has a studio, why not utilize it. Should it be bigger? Yes but that's a discussion point for another time. If it mattered, you'd have 2 events on each side and one in Texas for an even distribution. Again, every tournament organizer that has been involved in Halo (MLG, ESL, PGL, UMG) they have ALL had problems. Not a single one has been able to come off without one. In two years. On top of this, 343 SUCK. I've never in my life met a more incompetent developer. The post that I wrote before I was banned said it all. They have one of the biggest talent pools to make the game AND competitive good yet Quinn thinks he is above this all and doesn't take notice of any feedback. I mean, when you fuck up Gears so badly you move studio and then to fuck Halo up, at what point do you say maybe it's not the community but me? That is why the community is angry. Would you rather work on producing high quality events that shine a piece of shit or do you want to fix the piece of shit in the first place?   

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  18. MLG is a pretty big reason a lot of us got into competitive Halo, how can you honestly say with a straight face that they don't know how to build a community. To top it off, then you try and say a guy that has been posting on our forums (and previously THC) is fake and has ran Halo events for nearly 15 years...I can't.


    I don't think nostalgia is a big factor in people wanting MLG back but incompetence with HCS and ESL for the last few years.


    Well first of all, I had a pretty good response last time before you banned me for no apparent reason. Maybe this time, you'll let me discuss this with you like an adult? Firstly, I didn't say he was "Fake". That word was never written by me so I'm not sure where you got that from. Secondly, I've ran live TV events and tournaments with prize pools up to $1 000 000. My daytime job is actually a Squash coach, so I know what I'm talking about when I say grass roots and professional events. Lastly, do I deny that MLG was a reason a lot of people got into competitive Halo? Nope. You delete my post last time because you didn't want to hear the harsh reality. MLG had 2 H5 events (X-Games: The blue side had audio issues and Regional: Audio didn't work for a full day and had to priority deliver Astro headsets), they are not immune to the fuck ups that other TOs do. I can sit here and say they don't know how to build a community because they don't. The people create communities. They got lucky at a time when LAN was emerging, console gaming was picking up pace and everyone carried their TV and consoles around to each others houses. That is community. They merely cash in on these communities and cash in on the games and drop them without hesitation when it doesn't fit their business plan or narrative.


    I'll ask this again, how can you honestly say with a straight face that they can save Halo or give you the numbers you want when the asinine attitude of 343 is a fault for 90% of these problems?

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