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  1. Some BTB people didn't like ZB; poorly designed "open field" maps (Hemorrhage) play even worse without bloom or projectile weapons. In an ideal world maps like Hemorrhage would just be thrown in the trash where they belong, but the chances of that happening now is exactly zero. Too much of Reach's BTB sandbox/map pool is already designed around bloom existing. Universal 85% is probably more plausible.
  2. I think many people have the underlying assumption that once you reach H3 Sniper on arena map levels, the small distances and projectile speed would essentially make aiming pseudo-hitscan, and therefore redundant to the conversation. I think addressing that assumption would move everyone closer to being on the same page. Judging distance happens all the time in 3D video games, partly visual, partly map knowledge, and basically any competitive shooter game with projectile mechanics emphasize this at high levels. The best Demoman players in TF2, for example, are insanely quick at accurately arcing pipes in 3D space at any angle imaginable against any target that could be at a number of velocities, and its an aspect that really separates players at even the highest levels. I think "bullet" projectiles can be used in a similar way with the right projectile speeds and map distances, and might actually give the Halo sandbox an excuse to have its 6 or so rifle-like weapons actually have meaningful differences.
  3. 343 probably won't, although I'd expect to see some mods that accomplish that.
  4. MCC banked on the nostalgia for the older Halo's for its success, sure. However, it's potential audience is limited to people who have remained in the Xbox ecosystem for as long as that game came out. The main draw of porting MCC to PC is its sheer ubiquity; regardless of why you left the ecosystem, playing Halo 3 (or whatever your nostalgia beckons) again for a small price on Steam without paying for the console and XLive and all that other stuff will be what draws people back in. The barrier to indulging in a game of Halo 3 after selling your console X years ago will never be smaller. I don't have concrete evidence, but anecdotally, this seems to describe a lot of people.
  5. I think if you're at risk of burning out / you already play MCC on Xbone routinely, you're not the target audience for MCC PC. However, I think the biggest perks for people like us is that we can put Halo on hardware more portable than an Xbone, and modding for this installment is probably going to be a big thing.
  6. A big problem with Halo 4 is that the Didact's motivations are wrapped in a 5 minute long cutscene that literally just "expositions" the entire pre-firing universe. Anyone who has purely been playing the games has no idea humanity even existed before the firing, outside of some subtle references in the games and terminals, which makes the cutscene confusing for newcomers and casual players. The sad thing is I think a slight change in dialogue could have fixed that, but as you'll notice, dialogue is the underlying theme of my criticisms. This is where I feel like I get lost with a lot of people that liked Halo 4's campaign. At a high level, Halo 4 has a very interesting plot. Chief and Cortana get stranded on an unknown Forerunner world, they face a mysterious threat, they meet up with a single human ship, remnant Covenant threats, blah blah blah; I have a few specific criticisms (the Genesong thing is soooooo unnecessary), but its a sufficiently Halo plot, whatever that means. The problem comes in the execution and claims about its execution. For one, my strongest criticism is the dialogue. Its terrible across the board. Nothing about it is believable or convincing. It feels like it was dubbed from a different language. There's nothing inventive, at all, about Cortana's rampancy. There's so many interesting instances of "ai goes bad" in all of fiction, and they decided to go with having Jen Taylor scream her lines in every other cutscene. I could not even imagine a less creative way of demonstrating rampancy. The performance poisons everything else. Chief is apparently at least partially motivated by Cortana's random existential statements and yelling, and considering its a major aspect of his "development", it does a number on my ability to suspend my disbelief. Everything Del Rio says is absolutely hilarious. I couldn't take him seriously to save my life. He's not "Del Rio", he's "antagonizing strict commanding officer" from every piece of fiction that even slightly borrows from that trope. Lasky and every other human character basically don't contribute to the plot or Chief's character development. Within just the context of Halo 4, the Didact is an OK villain. His motivations aren't particularly interesting and basically boil down to being...xenophobic and/or crazy(?) because of the pre-firing wars; he's irrational. There's nothing really wrong with that, but in comparison to the Covenant or the Gravemind, whose motivations have at least some layers and complications, the way he's presented in Halo 4 just isn't that interesting. Its bad that it takes it material seriously if its not so serious aspects were stronger. Bathos and dumb one-liners were frankly the original's greatest strength in terms of writing, outside of just having a generally interesting universe and plot. Abandoning them would require strong dialogue and characters to take its place, and I don't think that happened. I see no reason to praise an attempt at a serious story if it wasn't a good attempt. *Cortana begins dubstep screaming* Halo 4 definitely had this, and I appreciate Halo 4 for what it is. But I think its reported depth and quality is massively overblown.
  7. The positivity towards Halo 4's story is baffling to me. Its paper-thin melodrama wrapped in a terrible artstyle with awful dialogue and terrible pacing, and is largely void of the self-awareness and levity of the original trilogy. When combined with the gameplay, I'd be quick to say that Halo 5 has a better multiplayer than Halo 4 has a campaign, which isn't something I'd claim lightly.
  8. I think you guys are overthinking Fortnite's success. Fortnite's mechanical complexity probably has little to do with its success; it derives its success from being a fulfilling and unique social experience, a story with stakes and real people. All battle royale type games strive for this experience, it just so happens that Fortnite was one of the first to reach a level of quality that spread to consoles while not also being incompetently made. Its not necessarily popular because its "great", its popular because its "good enough" to embody the experience people want to have. Skill floor is a meaningful factor in how well a BR game does, but Fortnite's runaway success as a social experience is a massive confounding variable in our judgement of how a "casual" audience responds to higher skill floors.
  9. It doesn't require too great a deal of cognitive dissonance to both remain critical of 343 and criticize others for creating content that they perceive as nonconstructive. The cold, hard reality of software development is that project scope isn't always what it initially appears to be. Requirements change. Higher-ups change their minds. This sentiment is why game companies like Valve don't communicate virtually at all with their sub-communities. Has Postums actually explicitly called someone a sweaty tryhard, or are you extrapolating from 343's past interactions with the community? Do you think there is any causality between the impolite discourse and said asinine decisions?
  10. He has his own Discord channel. https://discord.gg/NbnSjmf
  11. https://youtu.be/6y0uPZXBjBo Here's a link that doesn't 404.
  12. The actual answer to this is that earlier Sanc settings were "No Snipes" (which meant that the very common "No Duals" ruleset couldn't be used). Snipers were later reintroduced, but "No Duals" didn't take its place, presumably because players were now used to them being there.
  13. The sudden concern over game ownership is interesting to me. Surely you guys also realize you already own very little of Halo 5? So long as the Xbone remains unhacked, you rely on a network of servers to access anything in Halo 5 beyond the single-player campaign; It can be taken away from you just as easily as a "streamed" video game can be. Forge content, gametypes, flims, game patches, are all essentially fleeting. The acceptance of partial non-ownership of console video games is several years old now, its not some theoretical future.
  14. The concept of a decentralized server structure is a very attractive idea until you grasp what your favorite game's primary demographic is in all its pure, unfiltered glory.
  15. I think this is a really understated part of Halo 3's strength, and I think its part of why there is such a strong push for the "classic art style". The sound, physics, lighting, and textures really come together into something really cohesive and grounded. At risk of sounding overly reductive, I find Halo 3's assets to be more grounded and believable (even Covenant/Flood/Forerunner assets) than floating teleporting anime robots that talk and turn into flying orange computer spirits upon death.
  16. While I agree that mixed playlists have been very damaging to H1 and H2 up to this point, single-game playlists should prevent the situation you're describing. 343 has been cognizant enough to realize that the population doesn't have great crossover between games, and therefore each game should be relatively sandboxed from playlist changes from other games. We both know H2 FFA will have little effect on the H3 population because why would H3 kids ever enter a H2 FFA playlist? 343 (should) realize this as well. The real equation is whether or not H2's dedicated population can support a FFA playlist, and how much its existence draws people into the H2 sandbox vs how much it drains people from other H2 playlists. As for your believe that the X360 H3 doubles playlist is still somehow viable, I agree with M. The quality is garbage. I'd far prefer playing doubles in a stunt_man server in CE (the discord lets you organize controller only games) or organizing my own doubles game in H2V than deal with a doubles playlist with little population.
  17. The planned selection of playlists is actually pretty decent, at least as a starting point. My thoughts: I'm a little surprised that CE got 3 playlists, I would have expected just the obvious 2v2 and then either BTB/4v4. I suspect one might go, but I guess we'll see what the population looks like. Remove TS from H2, add Dubs. H2 Hardcore wasn't that far from default anyway. If I were them, I'd test out a dedicated FFA playlist to see if it can maintain a population. H3 looks good. Once again, I suspect you could add Dubs with little consequence to the population. Radical idea for H2A: Remove TS, add Action Sack. H2A's real value is in its Forge scripts and minigames. Make it the minigame/infection hub. It really warms my heart to see H4 get relegated to a single playlist. BTB was H4's biggest strength, so having a single BTB playlist is likely the best move in terms of actually catering to the population and having H4 in MM at all. This. A social/rank split is the only good reason for keeping TS in H2.
  18. I'm really hesitant about throwing scorpions onto the map by default. Scorpions on the map basically nullify interesting Warthog play and promote vehicle hoarding. On a related note, I think another interesting way of incorporating the big maps into your 4v4 settings is with a real Race mode. Team Race: Team Scoring: Sum Race Type: Any Order Team Play: Yes Laps to Win: 25 Vehicles: 4 Rocket Hogs, both sides (could be normal Hogs if we're focused on excluding GB content, but RHogs are more interesting in vehicle vs vehicle) Vehicle Respawn Time: 60 seconds Weapons on Map: -Either Short Range or None The best vehicle race maps are: -Death Island -Timberland -Ice Fields -Infinity Unlike most gametypes on these maps, Race is a pretty focused and succinct, and its a great way of experiencing CE's vehicle sandbox even if we end up without a way to play BTB in CE.
  19. To summarize what korn has said in the past: -He's aware of halobugs and documentation regarding MCC CE's quirks. -He is aware of CE's competitive scene and works with people close to esports/competitive. Its not his only concern, obviously, but multiplayer has been a priority for him.
  20. It sounds like decent arena style strafing fixes some of your issues. If there's a decent opportunity for an opponent to juke your melee, melee has an opportunity cost associated with it. I'll try and look for some good examples from TF2, which I think has a really sound melee system. I'd be interested in hearing how CE is inconsistent. Oh please, stop pretending that removing melee as a concept is comparably significant to removing some arbitrary ability fad we know for a fact won't survive to the next game. Believe me, I've been in similar positions. TF2 has had random crits in matchmaking for longer than a decade. I've hated the concept since I first played the game. To say that random crits are a cancer upon a great game is an understatement. That being said, I recognize the status quo; Valve and a non-negligible part of the community have tended to be very change averse on the issue. Arguments against random crits have to be well constructed and convincing. I can't flippantly say "yeah no random crits aren't fair or balanced you plebs" and expect to convince anyone. Thankfully, random crits have been criticized by people who care even more than I do for longer than I've been playing, and most of the community that takes the game seriously doesn't like them. You don't have that advantage. Melee has a significant physical and psychological impact on people interact with the game, especially outside of competitive multiplayer. Saying that its 2ez and should be removed without much thought put into changing it or any sort of alternative isn't very convincing. Sprint, for example, is going to be difficult to surgically remove from the Halo franchise, but the argumentation that's been put out and effort put into showing what a stupid ability it is vast enough to turn some heads. I'd be interested in the argument that makes me abandon the concept of melee from the Halo franchise. Are you actually interested in convincing people here that melee should be 100% culled and that it is 100% not redeemable, or is this just some contrarian need to show that people might be attached to certain concepts because Appeal to Tradition, without much care or regard for fixing said concept and thinking about how it will effect the rest of the game? I learned it from you dad.
  21. An entirety of like 2 people are arguing for that. Everyone else is humoring them because there is absolutely nothing else to discuss.
  22. Halo's effect on console game design is extremely well known. Regenerating shields, two weapon limit, melee and grenades linked to buttons, not weapon slots, etc. That IS Halo's legacy, that's undeniable. Whether that's good or bad is subjective. I'll be the first to admit melee has had some problems in competitive play in the past, and that's not even considering the advanced mobility shit we have now. That being said, nothing you described is some fundamental problem. Dumb melee fights are mostly caused by lunging. Trades are a networking compromise. Reloading and throwing grenades also render your gun "useless"; meleeing is decision that should have some opportunity cost, and its cost is making your gun unable to fire. Double pummeling and other stupid shit that determines the outcome of the fight before its over is linked to lunge and garbage utility weapons. I think it would be more productive if you described what you thought was wrong with CE's melee system. Having melee is so fundamentally ingrained into Halo its bizarre to imagine Halo without it. The Covenant species core design is balanced around having melee. Speedrunners and trickers abuse melee to setup skips and tricks. Infection gametypes use it to setup barricades to fight the infected, among other things. Its how all players manipulate the environment around them. It touches every aspect of the game in some way. You might think its a dumb, irredeemable function, but that opinion isn't shared by many. imo its far more productive for you to suggest fixes for the melee system that improve it rather than just proclaim that it should be removed without some kind of extraordinary or compelling evidence that melee truly is irredeemably broken. I'm not saying you can't hold a controversial opinion, but ask yourself how likely it is that 343 or the community at large (or even this community) will ever even come close to considering simply removing melee from the game. Why do you believe this beyond all doubt? "Easier to use than the UW, slower to kill than the UW" is one balancing mechanic that keeps the AR relevant and interesting in CE's sandbox. Surely melee can be kept in check by that same paradigm?
  23. I mean, finding the best solution could take some effort, but its not as monumental a task as you seem to think it is. Melee is firing a short-lived projectile. TIL, melee, in the Halo franchise, is a "hamfisted" mechanic. I mean, you could definitely argue lunge is a bit ham-fisted, but the simple ability to melee is integral to Halo's identity. It kind of sounds like Halo isn't the game for you then. Nah, you were right. Remove all that, and then remove melee, remove vehicles, remove controllers, and remove any map that doesn't support high level gameplay. Let's race Halo to the AFPS graveyard as fast as possible.
  24. My principle would still stand if I was literally the only person who played [insert video game here]. By being deceptive about a LE purchase, I'm forced to make a decision with opportunity costs without full information. Ex: If I pay 20$ for an item and I get it on day 0, and then its offered for 1$ on day 3, its pretty clear I've been scammed. There is value to having an item earlier than you could have, but its pretty unlikely anyone would knowingly pay 19$ for the privilege of having it 3 days earlier. Your philosophy would be nice if implemented from the beginning, but in a situation where limited run items exist, its not really...ethical. I feel quite the opposite about skins; because it is just a skin, I very rarely care when I see some really rare now unobtainable skin in a game beyond a passing glance, and I certainly don't feel entitled to it.
  25. So what do you think about CS:GO-esque economies, which are largely based on scarcity? Do you find not being able to unlock a skin at all less ethical than being able to buy that skin for a market price of, say, $1000? I will say that I absolutely hate items that are described as limited time only items, but then aren't and the company breaks their word on that promise. I really hated Halo 4, but it was an incident with their redistribution of LE skins that insured I would be petty enough to buy MCC/H5 second hand.

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